Archive Postings: February 2003 - May 2003

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Brian W. 31/05/2003
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Thanks, Alan...I do agree that LD2 has loads more energy than LD1. I would love to see LD2 on Cd someday but I think a box set of remixed LD1 shows (with lots of previously unreleased material, of course) is sorely needed right now. I know this was already discussed on this list but I just know it would spark a lot of interest from us and fans who have long since lost track of the band. Look at how the Led Zeppelin DVD/CD sets are selling here in the States! Now, i'm not comparing Zep's popularity to Ash's but, surely there's some incentive in there somewhere. Andy? Martin?, MCA (in whatever form you exist in now)?

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Alan Bloor 31/05/2003
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I agree with Brian who said that Live Dates was a slightly disappointing album. In my opinion Live Dates 2 was superior to its predecessor.

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Fred R 31/05/2003
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Billy makes some valid points, I think. I am willing to bet that everyone on this forum has made life and career choices that later came back to revisit them in one way or another. Ash was only guilty of consistently trying to move things ahead. For a while, that was in vogue. Later it got to be too challenging for the mainstream listeners out there. With respect to Floyd, they've made the same album at least three times in their career. Wishbone never did that, although many fans thought they should have, I guess. There will NEVER be a more important guitar band than WA. For those that think that era is gone, you haven't gone to see the current lineup. They still know how to play and make two guitars/bass/drums sound like a freight train comin' at ya and hit ya just as hard....if you're listening.

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Billy Auld 31/05/2003
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Come on name not given....Just because you are feeling nostalgic about the band and what might have been doesn't mean you should be anonymous.Like most bands Wishbone have had to deal with growing up together and all the pressures that go with being in the limelight.I agree that Wishbone have the right to be "up there"with the best of British bands from the 70's but they floundered at a time when there was so much on offer from all sorts of great bands..a very creative time which moved so quickly. The good thing is that WE know that the Wishbone legacy is still with us. I don't go along with the poor fill in albums theory. Wishbone shifted a bit but never produced a "fill in album". Remember the slating that Wishbone 4 got? That album is a classic but at the time it was not what was expected so was dis'd by the music press who were miffed by Wishbone's apparent snubbing of them at that time..all history now but at the time was very relevant.Martin Turner and Andy Powell are very creative and in my opinion should STILL be working together but if Lennon and McCartney couldn't get it together then maybe we should appreciate that similar reasons prevent them working together.We know that if Lennon and McCartney had actually buried the hatchet and persuaded the other Beatles to reform then incredible stuff would have happened...same would be true of Wishbone I'm sure.I am keen to see Martin get it together in some form but am so pleased with the way that the current Wishbone Ash are going. I would be the first to say that a mark 1 or mark 2 reunion would be brilliant but maybe the chance has gone for ever considering the 25yr and 30 yr anniversaries have been and gone and those landmarks were not enough to get the band enthused even though the payday would have been considerable.

Enough said,I'm tired and need to get to bed. Goodnight Billy

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Name not given 30/05/2003
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It’s so sad thinking about Wishbone Ash. You know....What went wrong...How it could have been...Martin Turner still fronting the band etc....Steve Upton’s heavy drum fills, Ted & Laurie doodling ....Not forgetting Andy. A major force in British music I think. What the fxxk went wrong? The band should have been as big as Pink Floyd and more. Bad decisions, poor ‘fill in albums’. Wishbone Ash would have been a household name world-wide. Last word.....The current band is a tribute band going out as Wishbone Ash.....Come on Martin, get busy again and bring back the heavy players!

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Gordon 30/05/2003
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They did not play 'Sometime World' on that tour, in fact they rarely played it live in those days. I believe it's on the BBC COncert at the Paris Theatre, which turned out to be Ted's last gig before absconding to Peru with 'Wishbone Ass'.

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Brian W. 30/05/2003
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I'm going to get a lot of flak for this, I'm sure but... I think Live Dates could've been better. Not performance-wise but mix-wise. My CD version just doesn't have the spark that I've heard on other recordings from this time. It just doesn't capture the magical connection between band and audience that a live album should. Mind you, it might just be the way they mixed it and edited out much of the in-between song patter except for the intros to "Lady Whiskey" and "R'N'R Widow". I'm probably the only one that feels this way but... Does anyone remember them playing "Sometime World" on that tour? I would've loved for that song to have been included...

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Jeremy Pearce 30/05/2003
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The say everybody knows where they were when JFK was shot. Well I know where I was when Live Dates 1 came out. McKilroys in Swindon. Just spent time looking at the cover, still today I consider it one of the best of its kind, before asking for it to be played in a booth (god - that ages me). By the way the drunken nut case that shouts out in a high pitch on Live Dates, sat next to me at the Reading gig. Seem to attract them. At the Ally Pally gig up at the front, another drunk was shouting for Jailbait every other minute, and only after threats did he shut up. Thank god we fans have all aged a little bit !.

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Gordon 30/05/2003
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I was at the Portsmouth Guildhall show - I tell my kids that I can hear myself clapping at the end of 'Baby What You Want . .'. It was a great show, but I think the band were a bit upset at first, because the headbangers charged the stage from the very first number, but the band wanted them (I mean us!) to sit down. I seem to remember we had 3 encores also. After the show, I managed to see the inside of the mobile studio and the engineer played some of 'King Will Come' for us. Apparently, the band felt it was not one of their best shows; the roadies were very interested in our opinions; to me this showed how serious WA were/are about putting on great shows and delivering for their fans. Andy came along shortly after the show, followed by Martin (obliging girls with kisses), then they went about the serious business of listening to the tapes, right there in the parking lot. 'Live Dates' is one of the best live albums ever made, they worked hard for it and it captured the band at a magical time.
Were any of you out there for the Ash gigs that were recorded for Live Dates 1. Went to the Reading Uni gig, and can remember sitting outside on the grass during the soundcheck, and hearing Martins "Handy" bass solo pounding out. As to the gig, Ash just played and played, came on at around 9 and were still playing at 12. Even came back on when the lights went on to play a third encore. Did they play as long at the other recorded gigs?. Great days, as they are now, with Ash still rocking.

The current incarnation is also fantastic and they completely live up to the magnificent Wishbone Legacy. Long may they rock!

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Jeremy Pearce 30/05/2003
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Something to say this time. Caught Ash several times on the New England Tour - Can't remember Supercharge, but hey I am 47. Yes, I agree Ash were up there with the best at the time of the Ally Pally gig, best bib and tucker, Ted wearing a bright flowery shirt if I remember correctly. In terms of support bands, Home and Renaissance were my all time favs, although slightly confused when they played the whole set from the Alchemist when in support of Ash, the concept album however now remains a well played CD in my collection.

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Jeremy p 30/05/2003
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Nothing said

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John crompton 30/05/2003
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yeah i remember that tour about 77 new england (my big brother took me, he's called al too!!) if i remember rightly Alby from Supercharge got up on the sax at the end of the Ash set, good stuff. "she moved the dishes first" is a classic!very frank Zappa

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Al E. Pally 29/05/2003
lostinahaze.co.uk
Remember The Ash at ALLY PALLY in AUGUST & Dec 73 Truly magnificent, best band in World at the time, great support acts especially Vinegar Joe with Elkie Brooks & a young Robert Palmer, but the best Ash support band i ever saw was Supercharge ( Alby Donnelly) on the WA UK tour around 77?. Robert Mutt Lange(Shania Twains husband) was their manager/producer/songwriter) at the time, great songs. They even did a 'send up' version of Blowin Free.

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Jeremy Pearce 28/05/2003
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Best Ash Gig?.

For me the Ally Pally Christmas gig in the early 70s - one of Teds last. Played two great sets. From memory the gig was filmed by a crew from France. Does anyone out there know of any film made?.

Best CD/Record

Bootleg of BBC in Concert from the Paris. Ted Turner using a voice box on Jailbait is still today, my fav ever track, with Matins heavy bass line in support was amazing. The only time I heard the box being used. Never saw in on countless times I saw Ash in the early days.

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Billy Auld 28/05/2003
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The Ferry doesn't sound like it would be the best gig acoustically but nostalgically Imust be there as I've travelled on the ferry so many times.I posted to you on the .com site Les so no need to reply there as I've just read your posting here.Sheffield Billy gives another point of view so it's a question of go see for myself.If I could only get to 1 gig then i would opt for a venue i know to be good but i'm gonna catch at least 3 gigs this time round so it won't matter that much[sorry bobby I know how sore this point is with you]The great escape in Paisley..HA HA.I remember when there were power strikes and being terrified when the lights went out in the Normandy hotel in Renfrew and the local gang known affectionately as the REMO used the occasion to whip[yes whip] and knife and beat up as many people as they could in the dark...very scarey!!!! Just the gig for Wishbone Ash LOL Hopefully the booking agent is going to get at least 1 more gig sorted for Scotland as there are a few days before the gig at the Limelight Crewe on the 13th.Cheers Billy

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sheffield billy 28/05/2003
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gary sawyer, many thanx 4 tour dates, holidays already booked! bobby c, look fwd to meeting in oct. incidentally, renfrew ferry got rave reviews 4 blue oyster cult, and roger chapman dates last year, so think i'll give it a shot. ps, bobby we were s**t on monday!!!!! - billy 28/5/03.

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Rainer Frilund 28/05/2003
fubb@saunalahti.fi
Bobby Cameron from Cape Town wrote:
> ... squeezed "Ashcon 2002" from Rainer in Finland ...

Didn't feel the "squeeze" at all. Then again, maybeI'm "big" enough not to feel the squeeze. (When I wasborn, the midwife said "he's just as wide as he is tall".All this according to my dear mom).

Seriously, I'm glad I could be of assistance. I only Wish (pun inteded) that the band would visit Finlandmore often.

Meanwhile, living on "canned music" by the best bandthere is.Best Wishes - Best Bones!

Rainer from Finland

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Iñaki 28/05/2003
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Hey!! Come in from the rain..............

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bob c 27/05/2003
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Eddie
don't give the little b*gg*rs any concessions - what you've done for them merits the greatest hardship a man can think of!

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Eddie Dwyer 27/05/2003
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This weekend I will be going to see Westlife at the Birmingham NEC (eat your heart out Fat Drummer, Billy Auld etc J). I will be taking my wife and two daughters and by the time you do taxi duty to and from the NEC, you might as well stay! My kids have said they would like to return the favour and go and see W/Ash later in the year with me. All was going swimmingly until my wife commented that she had to stand for a few hours at the last W/Ash concert she attended, at which point the kids fainted. After they came round they’ve been grumbling about standing since. As we know the kids today don’t know they’re born and are used to sitting down at the big venues – but as they have pointed out to me, I don’t stand in front of the stereo at home when I play W/Ash CD’s. Can anyone indicate which of the venues on the W/Ash Autumn tour are seated venues – so I book up quickly before the kids change their minds?

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Bobby Cameron 27/05/2003
robbie_cameron@digica.co.za
No sweat Les, I was just taking the proverbial --- Since finding these web sites I've managed to obtain "Live in Chicago", eventually got "Tracks" (thanks Gary) and squeezed "Ashcon 2002" from Rainer in Finland oh yeh and "Blowing Free" from Mr Auld so I'm quite satisfied for the moment. cheers Bobby.

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Bobby Cameron 27/05/2003
robbie_cameron@digica.co.za
Hey Billy, should be over in October ... must meet up and get to one of the gigs, even if it is the Renfrew Ferry ... must watch out for the REMO tho' ... remember the great escape in Paisley? Bobby in Cape Town.

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Les 27/05/2003
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Sorry Bobby. Sometimes we just don't realise how lucky we are!!

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Bobby Cameron 27/05/2003
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Crikey Les, "The usual Lochgelly gig" ... I'm just waiting for any gig.
You better hope WA are not playing Renfrew Ferry. I saw Steve Harley there last week and it must be one of the worst venues ever. It's basically a big glass dome with little or no atmosphere. I'm hoping for the usual Lochgelly gig which is a perfect venue to appreciate WA.

Bobby in Cape Town.

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Les 27/05/2003
lmcintosh@scotcourts.gov.uk
Billy,
Billy

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Billy Auld 27/05/2003
billy@auld1.freeserve.co.uk
Renfrew Ferry has Wishbone Ash listed for Oct 9th but this is not in the WA tour list.Can we get confirmation of this gig?

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I bought Teds guitar on Ebay 27/05/2003
mr_mark90@hotmail.com
Il do u Danielle! asl?

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Name not given 26/05/2003
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i love sclub8

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danielle 26/05/2003
lorraine@chapmans43.freeserve.co.uk
is there any boys i can shag.

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I bought Teds guitar on Ebay 26/05/2003
mr_mark90@hotmail.com
Oh i will be Billy dont u worry! You wouldnt believe the nightmare im having trying to transfer the money!! at this rate i might just have it for ashcon!

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billyauld 25/05/2003
billy@auld1.freeserve.co.uk
Get giggin' wiv it mark!!!

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I bought Teds guitar on Ebay 25/05/2003
mr_mark90@hotmail.com
Hey, whats happened to the Leeds irish centre date? :(

November
28-Nov-03 TBA (Nice) Nice, France
08-Nov-03 AshCon Mansfield, UK -
07-Nov-03 Astor Theatre Deal, UK 01304 368481
06-Nov-03 Guildford Civic Centre Guildford, UK 01483 444555
05-Nov-03 Skipton Town Hall Skipton, UK -
04-Nov-03 Pavilion Theatre Whitby, UK 01947 604855
02-Nov-03 Cheese & Grain Frome, Somerset, UK 01373 455420
01-Nov-03 Space Plymouth, UK -

October
31-Oct-03 Plymouth Pavilions Plymouth, UK 01752 229922
30-Oct-03 The Exeter Phoenix Theatre Exeter, UK 01392 667080
29-Oct-03 The Brook Southampton, UK 023 8055 5366
28-Oct-03 The Medina Theatre Newport, UK 01983 527020
25-Oct-03 Muni Arts Centre Pontypridd, UK 01443 485 934
24-Oct-03 Queen's Hall Narbeth, UK -
22-Oct-03 The Standard London, UK 0870 888 0949
21-Oct-03 The Stables Milton Keynes, UK 01908 280800
19-Oct-03 The Springhead Willerby, UK 01482 650 924
18-Oct-03 Classic Rock Society Rotherham, UK -
17-Oct-03 Carnegie Theatre Workington, UK 01900 602 122
16-Oct-03 Life Cafe Manchester, UK -
15-Oct-03 The Platform Morecombe, UK -
14-Oct-03 Neptune Theatre Liverpool, UK -
13-Oct-03 The Limelight Club Crewe, UK 01270 251929

September
14-Sep-03 Ramshead Annapolis, USA -
12-Sep-03 Bull Run Shirley, USA -
08-Sep-03 Hoopla's Virginia Beach, USA -
07-Sep-03 Hoopla's Virginia Beach, USA -
05-Sep-03 Variety Playhouse Atlanta, USA 404 521 1786
04-Sep-03 Florida State Theater Tampa, USA -

August
29-Aug-03 OK Classic Rock Oklahoma City, USA -
23-Aug-03 Coach House San Juan Capistrano, CA, USA 949-496-8930

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Gary Sawyer 25/05/2003
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Billy...........I know I'm not the gary you were talking to, but here you go:

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sheffield billy 23/05/2003
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gary, i understand october dates have been sorted 4 uk? if so, can we 'ave 'em my san?
Seriously, i'd like to add my condolences to Martin and his family. My thoughts are with you.

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FatDrummer 19/05/2003
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Well he was a man of many words.

Seriously, i'd like to add my condolences to Martin and his family. My thoughts are with you.

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Name not given 18/05/2003
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Nothing said

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Name not given 17/05/2003
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Nothing said

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Piratebrain 17/05/2003
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My condolences to Martin, Glen and family

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Ialynko Jean-Yves 16/05/2003
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I am deeply sorry and I am very sad. Your brother was a great man.
Please accept all my condolences and transmit them to your family.

A faithful friend of France.

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Ray Weston 16/05/2003
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My condolences to Martin and Glen and family. I've just been shocked by hearing the sad news! Young spirited and a lust for life... you'll be sadly missed Kim. Peace

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Peter Harley 15/05/2003
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I remember Kim from my school days in Torquay in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Shiphay manor was great. Thanks Kim.

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bob c 15/05/2003
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Nick C, I love this song too, especially that excellent piece of guitar work. I remember writing to Andy Powell about who played that solo, and he couldn't be sure - he said that Laurie used harmonics, but the construction sounded like his. Wonder if anyone can solve this one?

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Chris 15/05/2003
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I was really looking forward to meeting Kim at The Police's induction in March. When I heard he was very ill, I was saddened to realize I wouldn't get to meet an amazing man. My deepest sympathpathies go out to his family.

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Peterlien 15/05/2003
p.kuijt@xs4all.nl
I was so sorry to hear about Kim. I have met him a couple of times in '96 and '97, during concerts of Sting. It was always a great pleasure to see him. Always a big smile and a big hug. That's how I remember Kim.
My condolences to his family and friends.

Peterlien from Holland

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Nick C. 15/05/2003
propertius2003@yahoo.co.uk
I think "Say Goodbye"is one of my favourite songs(unfashionable album I know!).The feeling is intense loneliness and 'blues.Martin's vocals are suitably apt,as is the piercing guitar solo(who's,Laurie's?).

Can anyone tell me who does the lead guitar work on 'Like a child?'.The intro is most unusual,more like the ending,than a beginning!

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Mike and Maureen Pering 14/05/2003
Mike.Pering@Sometimeworld.Freeserve.Co.Uk
Our sincere condolances to Martin,Glenn and Family.Our thoughts and prayers are with you

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Brian W. 14/05/2003
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My sincerest condolences to Martin Turner and the rest of Kim's family and friends. As a survivor of cancer myself, I am greatly saddened that this dreadful disease has claimed another beloved life. It is comforting to hope that where he has gone is a place that is eternally free of disease and pain. Maybe the big guy up there needed an experienced road manager for a classic rockers' tour of the heavens!

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Tom Fuller 14/05/2003
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Keep up the top work and see if you can visit us in spain.

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pauline 14/05/2003
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I want to pass on my
sincere condolonces
to the Turner family.

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pauline 14/05/2003
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I am sorry. I want to
pass on my sincere
to the Turner family.

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Doug Ehr 14/05/2003
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I also wanted to express my sympathy to the Turner family and to all of Kim's friends.
As Ian Copeland said last year, "Some of my fondest memories of being on the road involve situations Kim got us in."
He will be missed.

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Rimzilmoon DeBlanc 13/05/2003
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I wanted to pass on my sincere condolences to the Turner family and his close friends.

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Fred R 13/05/2003
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To Martin and the Turner family, our deepest regrets and prayers for you at this very sad time.

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Angeline Adams 13/05/2003
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I'm so sorry to hear this. Kim's family are in my prayers.

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Craig Betts 13/05/2003
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I'm sorry.. so so sorry. My heart goes out to his family and friends.

Craig UK

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Ross Viner 13/05/2003
duckrogers@shaw.ca
I happen to know of a nice thing Kim did for me once, several years ago. I regret I never got to thank him in person.
Thoughts, wishes, and prayers to his loved ones.
-Ross

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bob c 13/05/2003
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So sorry to hear of your sad news, Martin. We are all thinking of you and your family at this time.

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Dave 13/05/2003
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Martin As always the words are difficult to find best wishes and deepest sympathy to you and all your family.

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Rich T 13/05/2003
rtomas@go2.pl
I think I won't be wrong to say that in this moment of deep sadness for Martin, the hearts and minds of WA fans' family go out to him. Guys, do you remember Rare Bird, ..."and sympathy is what we need, my friend, 'cos there's not enough love to go 'round". Let's let Martin know we care. As for Kim - R.I.P.

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Dee 13/05/2003
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I heard the very sad news that Kim Turner has passed on. May he have peace and love in the next stage of his journey. Although this is a private matter and I don't want to be too forthright, I'd like to express my sympathy to Martin and his family.

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Rich T 12/05/2003
rtomas@go2.pl
From MK2 nothing beats New England and... There's the rub!

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ray faulder 12/05/2003
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Locked in is still a good album, Raw to the Bone is by far the worst ever, closely followed by Twin Barrels burning, Merve Spence ? Front page news and Just Testing are my faves from MK2.

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Gordon 12/05/2003
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I'm pretty sure it IS a talk box - I remember that Andy used one around that time, but I'm not sure for which song(s)

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Rich D 12/05/2003
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Dee, I know the bit you mean on Half Past Lovin'. Sorry, I forgot to mention the song I was talking about in my last post! It was actually Silver Shoes I was talking about - if you listen to it on headphones, there's something playing the same melody as the guitars and Martin's scat vocal after the chorus - it has a very "fuzzy" sound - my guess is that it's a kazoo!

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Dee 12/05/2003
firesign@ptd.net
Rich, do you mean on Half Past Lovin? Isn't that a "talk box" you know, like Peter Frampton made popular on "Frampton Comes Alive"?

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Rich D 11/05/2003
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Mike, Brian, funny you should say that, I've been going through a big "There's The Rub" phase myself lately! Speaking of which, can anybody figure out what the instrument is playing along with the guitar bit after each chorus? It's an high / low octave guitar line rather than a straight twin lead, which Martin scat sings along with (plays out at the end of the song too)and I'm sure there's a kazoo going on there!! Either that, or someone's playing through an amp with a very distressed speaker! You can hear it better on headphones. Can anyone shed any light on this?!

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Brian W. 09/05/2003
proudwords@comcast.net
Yeah Mike, that's the album! There's the Rub still remains my favorite. I recently burned a CD for the car containing all of There's the Rub with some of the best tracks from Locked In. It makes for some great listening...

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Mike 09/05/2003
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I think Martin has previously said about Locked In that the material he would stand by - it's just the production/band sound that is lacking - I quite agree. The live releases of Rest In Peace and Half Past Loving are regulars in my CD player! Mind you, I'm having a There's The Rub phase at the mo..............

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Dee 08/05/2003
firesign@ptd.net
Eddie, Twin Barrels Burning isn't my favorite, but it's not my least, either, which goes to RAW TO THE BONE. Of course, we're not including Trance Visionary and Psychic Terrorism, right? haha You all know New England is my favorite.

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Eddie Dwyer 08/05/2003
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I might be swimming against the tide on this one ..but here goes. Recent postings suggest that Locked In must be the weakest album put out by the band. IMHO whilst it isn’t the strongest, it certainly isn’t the worst – my award goes to Twin Barrels Burning! Locked In was certainly different and moving in different directions, looking for a style – it might not hit the button but it doesn’t miss the target entirely. As it was followed by one of my favourites, New England, I regard it as transitional and not necessarily bad. I accept that some of the vocals are as smooth as a woodworker’s bench but I’ve always regarded this to be a quirky album rather than bad one. I always get the impression that everyone panicked big time when this one came out and thought that it was all over, particularly the band. – and this coloured people’s view permanently and unfairly. It still seems “trendy” to knock it after all these years - come on get the blinkers off!

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Bobby Cameron 08/05/2003
robbie_cameron@digica.co.za
Not a bad weekend SIR William. I'm sorry it's too hot there, maybe it'll reach 40 degrees but then again maybe the Blades might get promotion. Enjoy the weekend. OOOOOOH yes ... UNDERGROUND is now playing with nice backing vocals from Miss Hamill ... bliss ...

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billy 08/05/2003
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...bobby boy! yes, snecklifter is a real ale, (JENNINGS BREWERY)and very nice too! its like rocket fuel! 'kicks on the street'- marvellous stuff. i'm just off to london town now 4 two chappo gigs, sandwiched either side of the forst leg at the city ground. then on sunday, it's off to wembley conference centre to c the one and only sir bernard marsden, as m3 (moody,marsden,murray)make their british debut, at the london guitar show. pretty good stuff eh?. c u soon. billy 8/5/03.
ps it's hot here!

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Bobby Cameron 08/05/2003
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Billy, what the heck is 'snecklifter'? Is it another one of your alleged 'real ales'? Good luck for the play-offs. I'm just listening to 'Kicks on the Street' from a 1981 bootleg ... it really kicks ass.

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billy 08/05/2003
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little bird tells me newcastle opera house advertising wishbone gig in october. great venue, next to tilleys bar (snecklifter on draft!). great people, sh*t proprietor! - billy

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Dee 08/05/2003
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Marcus G., I like the 2 things you mention, plus Say Goodbye off Locked In. When I record my favorites on CD for friends I always include that song. That's a song I never would've caught on to if it hadn't been for Distillations. There are many many days I take Distillations to work and listen to Discs 2 and 3 rather than grabbing everal others. A sign of my love of Mark II, Brian W.! I was thrilled to get all those unreleased and live songs I hadn't heard before. Of course, that makes the remasters/
reissues, whatever you call them! a bit less exciting to buy but I do buy them anyway, this time for Martin's autograph!

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Name not given 08/05/2003
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EMAIL ME TO TALK RIGHTS FOR WHITES

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Brian W. 07/05/2003
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Actually, I thought Distillation was one of the best box sets released by any of my favorite bands. As you may all know by now, I am partial to MKII Wishbone Ash, so all those amazing live tracks made my day. That set cost a pretty penny to import over to the states but Time and Space was worth the price alone(although, no one could know at the time that in a couple years it would be issued on the remastered CD issue anyway!!!)

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Gordon 07/05/2003
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Distillations is an absolute gem. Twas our very own Anthology - it had some great rare takes, enhanced originals and added insight and perspective to the Wishbone legacy.

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sheffield billy 07/05/2003
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mike t... agreed, wishbone material DOES sell! however, think u r a little 'cruel' with assessment of distillation boxed set. we waited for an eternity to get something 'special' at last, and at @ £30 I thought it was superb! not get anything cheaper from the so-called 'super-groups'- billy 7/5/03.

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Gary Carter 07/05/2003
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Sorry if my post was a little misleading. I am not stating that Martin does not consider the music suitable for release on a live WA album, neither has Martin ever voiced such an opinion. What I stated was merely the fact that the material in question did not fit the bill as regards what the record company required on Distillation (you will note little of Locked In made that set either, Marcus!). But..another time, another project, who knows..?

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sheffield billy 07/05/2003
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al b... thanx 4 msge. i came to a place called the 'band on the wall' in november to c roger chapman, and the shortlist (really great band). slap bang in the northern quarter, a scruffy little gaff, but great 'live' feel. flanked by a tremendous little real-ale boozer, and hundreds of good ol' robinsons pub's! sat night 10.30pm start, on the same day city pasted united. can tell u the place was rocking that night! - billy 7/5/03.

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sheffield billy 07/05/2003
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...ooooooohhhhh!!!!marcus g. phew, that was a bit below the belt! (however, extremely true!)i think andy would most definitely agree with u on that score anyway. as gary c states, the label have more clout, and perhaps martin will receive a little more 'stick' due to personal indifferences here!.however, i sincerely hope something comes of the case, as surely (good or bad), the material is part of the 'legacy' of passing wishbone era, and the fans themselves should be given the opportunity to ascertain their own views on such topics. - billy 7/5/03.

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Marcus G. 07/05/2003
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Reading with great interest the postings regarding previously unreleased live material that rumour has it that MT doesn't consider it up to WA's high standards & suitable for release on a live album. Well I really hate to say it but it's got to be better than almost everything on 'Locked In'; excluding the lead solo on 'Started In Heaven' & chorus on RIP ( Now the light has come......).

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Al B 06/05/2003
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Hi Billy, take your point, but the atmos was good, peppered with some good humoured Manchester heckling!!
Eddie the Moonstone/Ashbone gig could still happen, but we need to find a suitable venue, (preferably in the midlands) and know we are going to get sufficient numbers along. Any ideas still welcome. Contact Moonstaone or Ashbone U Wish via their web sites. Cheers.

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Gordon 06/05/2003
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I love that idea Gary C! The people have spoken!!

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Gordon 06/05/2003
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I agree with you Mike 'T' about the artistic perfectionist perspective. I would also remind Mart and the other powers that be that there's amazing technology available these days for fixing imperfections.

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Gary C 06/05/2003
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yes, Mike, I agree - musicians don't always see things from the same perspective as fans or collectors (that's why I was asked to assist in the compilation of Distillation.). However, the German company who put out Distil. had issued the brief to us all that the set had to offer some obscurities yet also present a DEFINITIVE overview of WA's career. All recordings had to represent the band at their very best. For whatever reasons, technical, performance or whatever, it was considered in THAT instance that the LD1 outtakes did not meet the standards required. Of course, in a different context they may be extremely worthy! What about a 2CD set with the full original double album remastered and unedited, plus the best version of each of the "unreleased" tracks added? Of course, I would imagine MCA - not Martin - would be the key to anything happening on that front, and we all know just how much enthusiasm they have shown for releasing the band's back-cat over the years!

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Gordon 06/05/2003
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At the Portsmouth Guildhall LD 1 show,I remember 'Everybody Needs a Friend' as being utterly fantastic. It's a beautiful song and Mart's voice had never sounded better live - he sung his heart out! I hope a MKI live version of this song makes it onto an album one day.

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mike tarling 06/05/2003
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yes, but even so gary, martin is coming at it from an artist's point of view and he is a self-confessed perfectionist as far as "live out-takes" are concerned. for example i think he has gone on record as saying some of the stuff on tracks is a bit rough, whereas to us fans they are real gems. perhaps you can use your persuasive powers to convince him that there are plenty of people out there that want to hear this stuff. well, me brian and dave anyway! people go on about wishbone ash not being in the same league as the deep purples but if you put their stuff in the shops it will sell. eventually! i have no doubt that if issued, it would out-sell distillations which turned out to be an expensive compilation with a few token rarities. come on, how about it!!

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Gary Carter 06/05/2003
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Mike, Brian, Dave, etc - Martin Turner certainly has all four complete LD1 shows on multi track. They were last played during the compilation of Distillation, when we got them out to see if there were any outtakes worth including. Among the tracks that didnt make the original double LD album were (if my memory is correct) Everybody Needs a Friend, So Many Things to Say, Doctor, plus maybe a couple of others (about 5-6 tracks in all). I seem to recall Martin's opinion at that time (circa 1996) being that the remaining tracks were not that great and it was easy to see why they were left off the album (hence why there were no previously unreleased live Mk.1 recordings on Distillation).

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Eddie Dwyer 06/05/2003
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I have been pretty busy lately and maybe have not seen all the postings. Have I missed anything on the joint Moonstone/Ashbone-U-Wish gig mentioned sometime ago?

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billy 06/05/2003
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al b... good atmosphere at a seated gig? r u sure?...i think its around
20 years since i last sat a wishbone gig!. (bradford st george's hall, when we were ejected for continuing to stand!). don't think i could sit thro' 'changing tracks'!!!!- billy 6/5/03.

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dave hodges 05/05/2003
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1973 - 2003 Live Dates 30th anniversary. Surely some form of commemorative releae is in order? What about the original unedited 2LP remastered by MT, with maybe some additional unreleased tracks added from the four gigs. I think Mike's idea of a complete record of all four complete shows is a bit pie in the sky (though I'd buy it!) - Live Dates simply doesnt have the same legendary value as Made in Japan (commercially), great as it maybe to us. Does ne1 know if the four shows even still exist on tape? Who would be the key, Mr Powell presumably?

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Brian w. 05/05/2003
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Mike, that is a fantastic idea!!! A 4-CD set of the complete shows that were recorded for Live Dates with lavish packaging, faithful to original LP release. Brilliant!!! I'm sure either MCA (in whatever conglomerate they're part of now) or Martin Turner have the master tapes... and as for in-between song chatter, I'm all for it because it adds to the listening experience and makes it different than just hearing the album versions.

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mike tarling 05/05/2003
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yeah, i like the "we made it" bit but that is still on the bgo version. however maybe they do chop off a bit too much to get below 80 mins.i reckon the ultimate live dates would be a 4cd job with all 4 concerts (portsmouth, newcastle, croydon & ?). like the deep purple made in japan thing.

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Rainer Frilund 05/05/2003
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About Live Dates CD versions:

As I live close Russia I've grown to dislike censorship. Be it "sound quality censorship" or "small talk censorship". The comment "We made it" at the beginning of the original album is IMHO an itegral part of the album. It shouldn't be removed. Thus the ultimate CD version of Live Dates is still to be published.

Anyway, if I had to choose between the MCA release and the BGO release I'd go for the BGO version.

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Mike Spooner 05/05/2003
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I think that the editing is in the talky bits. Who needs band talk if the CD sounds like you're hearing it with a sock over your head in the next room. Gave my MCA version away and bought the BGO version as soon as I realised what a con the MCA version had been.

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mike tarling 04/05/2003
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that's interesting - i've only got the bgo version but i never noticed any editing! sparkling sound too.

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Rainer Frilund 04/05/2003
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Lui G. wrote:
> Can someone possibly tell em the difference between the MCA and BGO versions of 'Live Dates' CD's and what are the track timings on each version?

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Here's the details:

MCAD 10396
The King Will Come 7:44
Warrior 5:57
Throw Down The Sword 6:08
Rock 'N Roll Widow 6:08
Ballad Of The Beacon 5:22
Baby What You Want Me To Do 7:48
Phoenix (Live From Memphis) 17:10 ¤
The Pilgrim 9:14
Blowin' Free 5:31
Jail Bait 4:37
Lady Whiskey 5:57
Phoenix 17:23

BGO293
The King Will Come 7:15
Warrior 5:40
Throw Down The Sword 5:57
Rock 'N Roll Widow 5:43
Ballad Of The Beacon 5:16
Baby What You Want Me To Do 7:36
The Pilgrim 9:17
Blowin' Free 5:24
Jail Bait 4:38
Lady Whiskey 5:40
Phoenix 17:21

I agree with Mike Spooner that the BGO remastered version has better sound quality, but the sad truth is that it is more or less an edited version. a lot of the small talk is removed in order to fit the double LP on a single CD.

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Then a "commercial":
For info on Wishbone Ash CD/LP printings, see my discography web site at:

www.saunalahti.fi/fubb/index.htm

saunalahti.fi

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Al B 03/05/2003
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Mike S, yes The Lowry is an all seater venue. Good atmosphere - as you would expect from Manchester!

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Mike Spooner 03/05/2003
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It also has to be said that the BGO version (remastered) has far better sound quality than the muddy old MCA CD

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Name not given 03/05/2003
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MCA is double CD with bonus track Phoenix live in Memphis in addition to the full double album tracks. BGO has no bonus track, just the full original double album as originally released (on a single disc). BGO is remastered.

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Lui G. 03/05/2003
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Can someone possibly tell em the difference between the MCA and BGO versions of 'Live Dates' CD's and what are the track timings on each version?

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Mike Spooner 02/05/2003
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Al, was it a sit -down gig?

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Al B 29/04/2003
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Sheffield Billy, Lowry gig
Despite being sold out I was lucky to buy a returned ticket. Andy and band in great form, as per many other messages here about current tour. Excellent venue, great to see WA in a concert hall again (albeit a smallish one!)
To bridge the gap until the next WA UK tour (Oct) Ashbone U Wish are available for any gigs, parties etc. check www.asboneuwish.co.uk for contact details.

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bob c 29/04/2003
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OK Billy, I do like ya, mentioning the Blues and the Guildhall (be great to see WA there again - they deserve at least that). Don't really want to see Sheff U at Park next year - you beat us there! Will be shouting for ya in play-offs - 2nd best footballing side next to Pompey in Ist Div...
But like you said Bobby, keep it blue (and don't mention the abominable Houlieregans!).

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Gillian 29/04/2003
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WA are wicked, my uncle is da drummer!Hi Ray, how ya doin?
I might come to c ya soon wen ur near London with my mate!!Listened 2 ya music.......
WOW OMG!WCKED!!!

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Bobby Cameron 29/04/2003
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West Bromwich ... what a cracking side. Billy, I think lyric change should be 'Gers, 'Pool and Powell "is all I need". Pompey and Merson will be doing a Megson and the blades just don't cut it ... oh yuk. Pheonix ... sounds like they are really rockin' on this one but FUBB on the 30th DVD is also awesome. Cant' see 'em live have to wait for new DVD and Chapman's new DVD. Bob c ... do not mention those hoola woops on this site keep it nice and blue like the bad weather. To all ASH fans, keep those concert revues coming. It's really great for the cousins overseas to read and enjoy.

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sheffield billy 29/04/2003
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...'play up pompey, pompey play up!'... sorry bob! gosh, this site is confusing, thought i was talking to bob c in cape town! anyway, thanx for kind comments. hope to c u at fratton next season, and the guildhall again one day! - billy. ps congrats to harry's boys, done a marvellous job, lets hope merse is up to it next year. - billy 29/4/03.

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bob c 29/04/2003
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I quite liked you, Billy, til you mentioned the Blades! Actually, they are much better than Leicester in my opinion. Anyway, good luck in the play-offs. From PFC Bob C!

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sheffield billy 29/04/2003
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....certainly bob!!! 'enigma' disappointingly ommitted from set, but replaced with 'come rain, come shine' from new album. folk rock, fused with 'way of the world'!!!!! ...also 'faith, hope, and love'. certainly not my favourite! however, lyric change could read... Ash, Blades, Chapman. "you give me something to believe in"! - billy 29/4/03.

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bob c 29/04/2003
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Usual run-of-the-mill WA gig, then, eh, Billy?

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sheffield billy 29/04/2003
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...andrew powell m'lord, andrew powell...oh lord, andrew powell!!! (let us pray, and give thanks for the air we breathe, so we can witness this phenomonon on stage!)...WOW what a gig! the flowerpot 'sweatbox'! MUST have been a record attendance for this gig. praise to alan wooley 4 putting the band on, time and again.awfull gaff, but real ale, real people, real promoter, no problem.
as soon as andy straps on the flying v, mid-stream in the opener 'time was', you just know this aint just another rock n' roll band. very special. u could close your eyes, and be forgiven 4 thinking the band was supported by a 50 piece orchestra during 'phoenix'. HOW do ben, and andy do that? indeed, the seventh wonder of the world remains! a.powell/flying v. wonderful set again. welcome return of 'standing in the rain', and 'underground'. even got a few bars of 'bad weather blues' during 'blowing free' ...terrific stuff. thanx andy and the boys. special praise to guy, and sue roberts 4 keeping the faith over the 'wilderness' years. i really hope these guys will be performing city hall circuits again, before too long. go see 'em folks! still makes the hairs on the back of your neck stand erect, just as it did 4 me, back in '72. only this is BETTER!!!!. this line-up could perform 4 me, 4 12 hours, and i would still want more! 'living proof','jailbait', etc, etc. and... dare we say? 'runaway' move over?... mmmmm, not convinced yet, BUT 'changing tracks' could just nestle it's way in to a 'classic' set in a few years. made the mistake of an 'ash-dash' to the bar, just prior to 'phoenix', and some poor soul 4 rows in front of me, got the contents of my i.pa. down the back of his neck! "thought i had a pint..."!!!!- anyway, till the next time... god bless all in 'ash-land' - billy 29/4/03.
ps, one thought, during 'jailbait' last night. i will not need my name, on my tombstone, but merely, here lies the body of a man, proud to have known ANDY POWELL!.

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Mike 29/04/2003
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The best opener - gotta be 'Don't Come Back'!

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Rich T 28/04/2003
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Re. openers. Have they ever started with Outward bound? Now, this one gives a real kick, each time I play it in my car I press the pedal to the metal! The concert version is even better and more powerful, I guess. Gary C (or any of you guys who would be interested in it)- I still can't find Bone Fide in music stores where I live. How about trading it for some rock from my country? Gary C and Dee both know I am reliable. I can send out some of my favs in advance, just let me know you are interested. Having not heard the latest WA stuff I can't say the s***, which p***** me off!

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sheffield billy 28/04/2003
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anrbody go to the lowry at the weekend? never been to this venue. what's it like? good gig? - billy

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sheffield billy 28/04/2003
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....agreed folks, no name, no brain! if there are really great bands out there pal, where are they? wishbone, in my eyes are better now than b4. check out live material from early days. try expanded version of argus, and you will c wot i mean. ash continue to improve, 30 years on, but u tell me there are new bands. where?!!!!!-strange how all my fave bands are still pulling punters to gigs week in, week out. c u at the flowerpot tonight folks. bobby c 6-0!!! bloody 'ell, w.b.a. must be s**t!!!! - billy.

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Mike Spooner 28/04/2003
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'Name not given' = Brain not given. Nuff said.

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bob c 27/04/2003
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Oh, no - I've just 'bitten' again!!

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bob c 27/04/2003
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Hi there, Mr brave No Name Given! In response to your comments: firstly, it is a pity you put your point across in a way which is really a little abusive in my opinion, but still: I don't mind being called a sad b*****, I often call myself that anyway, even though I am extremely happy with life at the moment,thank you! I really don't mind about whether bands are 18 or 80 (after all, WA were an up-and-coming band once upon a time!), as long as they provide great music and entertainment - my saying is that any music done well is worthy of praise. And that is precisely why there are many followers of Wishbone Ash still. I challenge you to go and see one of their gigs, and come back with the same opinion. The band are on fire and have a great new album out - when I go to a WA gig I'll know I'll get total value for money and a great time. All the people I've taken with me in the last couple of years (old fans and young kids alike) have been united in their praise for the guys. You said that the band WERE great once - I can assure you they still ARE. Greatness is measured by ability, charisma and standing the test of time - see you at the next Tchaichovsky gig?

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Steve D 27/04/2003
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Re. the posts about Ash and their choice of guitars from Matty et al...If I hadn't read about it from somebody else, I was going to post it. Just strikes me as odd. a name like that and two very distinctive guitars in the V and Thunderbird. I note that their other guitarist favours an SG. I saw Laurie play an SG sometimes but did Ted ever play one?

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FatDrummer 27/04/2003
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...and here we have the species 'Fashionandum Keepupanus'.
The main thing to look out for with this creature is the blind devotion to the 'next big thing'. They are unable to grasp that like fine whiskeys, certain things age well. Although they deny any interest in the 'old days' they still manage to go onto message boards slagging off other creatures that do have an interest in the past, the present and the future.
This creature was once thought to be dangerous, but is in reality too laughable to be of any concern.
Treat with contempt.

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Name not given 27/04/2003
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Quick look on this site and what a load of sad bastards. I loved Ash in the 70's but have moved on and have better things to occupy me at weekends than chat about what is and what used to be. Move on you sad lot and check out the new bands - life does go on even though Ash were great .... once and had their place.

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Brian W. 25/04/2003
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Runaway is a blitz of a tune. It still gives me chills after all that cricket chirping although I know its coming up every time!!!

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ray faulder 25/04/2003
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On the subject of twin guitars and harmony lines etc, no one has mentioned the source that Andy often quotes as the start of it for him, The Shadows.

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Bobby Cameron 25/04/2003
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RUNAWAY ... crikey can you remember the first time you heard this on 'New England' after the track 'You Rescue Me'. My cat ran straight up the curtains ... and I was a close second ... WOW what was that? As Tony said GRRRRRRRREAT ...

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sheffield billy 25/04/2003
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...straight into it bob! no warning, wham!! (thats the way it should always be) 4 me, part of gig, is recognising slightly differing intros, in different keys etc. however, no intro needed 4 'runaway', this just punches you senseless!!!!! - billy

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Bobby Cameron 25/04/2003
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I must admit Billy I would never have imagined 'Time Was' as an opener. Did the guys introduce the song or did they just launch straight into it? I don't mind the instrumentals as openers ... gives the guys a chance to warm the fingers up.

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BILLY 25/04/2003
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...real guitars have wings, clousseau, bona fide. wot do u feel about these as openers? been a bit pre-occupied this tour, so first gig was sheffield on w*******y. however, 'time was' to open set was magnificent. audience concentration locked on immediately. never been a big fan of instrumentals for openers, as folk tend to 'drift' away from bar. (no good 4 me, need a clear flight path from stage!) anyway, i personally think best opener since maybe 'you see red', or even the quite brilliant, 'baby come in from the rain', during the 1999 tour. - sheffield billy 25/4/03.

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Alan B 25/04/2003
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Has anyone got a spare ticket to sell me for Sunday's gig at The Lowry?

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bill brealey 25/04/2003
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rich d ,and brian w, totally agree. neil murray is STILL a fantastic bass player. did u c him on the queens jubilee celebration last yr, party in the park. lawrie wisefield also performing. (new to website, so apologies, if this has been covered a million times b4!) anyway.... u can still catch neil with his new venture 'M3'. this is a colloboration with the one and only sir bernie marsden, and micky moody, with ex-sabs vocalist tony martin. they are playing the london guitar festival on sunday 11/5/03. a few more dates will be listed on their current website. this line-up will play classic whitesnake numbers which mr coverdale inadvertantly ommits from his current 'big hair' tour! mike spooner, thanx 4 call. c u on the road. derby next up 4 me.... 'keep the wheels turning' - sheffield billy.

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Rich D 25/04/2003
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Brian W - totally agree about Neil Murray. His bassline on the orignal "Fool For Your Loving" is amazing.

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Mike Spooner 24/04/2003
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Bill
Totally agree - the band is simply amazing at the moment. Andy seems not to mind gigs being taped, but these are frowned upon if sold, rather than swopped for other goodies.

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bill brealey 24/04/2003
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bob,...forgot to mention full length version of 'phoenix', together with a blistering rendition of 'changing tracks', from the new album.this is a real 'heavy artillery' special, in the same vein as 'runaway', and i really hope they keep it in the set.the duelling guitar work from andy, and ben needs to be seen to be believed as they trade licks with each other for 5 mins. not aware of anyone taping show, don't think andy would be too happy! anyway, the ashcon, was taped digitally, and may well be included on 'tracks 2' which i understand is being compiled shortly. - billy 24/4/03.

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Bobby Cameron 24/04/2003
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Less of the 'BOOBY' mate you lucky, lucky B*****D. Sounds as if this lineup has really got it together. Did anybody tape this show? PLEASE!!!
In my own time WAS.

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bill brealey 24/04/2003
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to my buddy in cape town, booby cameron. saw ash at the boardwalk in sheffield last night. usual crew present, including 6 massive chappo fans from worksop. packeed audience. biggest ever 4 ash at boardwalk. epiphone, gold strat, flying v, music man,gibson les paul classic etc on display. absolutely stunning set bob. hit the stage with 'time was' . absolute master stroke mr powell! 'sword','warrior','king','living proof', etc. all the old classics. blinding version of ballad of the beacon, and even got 'jailbait' 4 encore!!!! doesn't get much better than this folks. seen ash more times than i can remember (well over 100), but last night really was one of best ever. youv'e got to catch this tour folks, lot better than last year. best set-list since 70's without doubt. - sheffield billy - 24/4/03.

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paul neville 24/04/2003
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like to thank gary carter for help in finding song . thanks again gary

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Brian W. 23/04/2003
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Rich, I agree with you about Phil Lynott. He also had that soulful voice and his bassplaying is definitely underrated. Another bassist that is always omitted is Neil Murray. He was in the early (and best) lineups of Whitesnake. Come to think of it, they also had a good few twin leads. But anyway, Murray had many bubbling basslines that always sounded so unorthodox beneath those bluesy tunes. He plays with his fingers which is very different from Martin Turner's plectrum style. But check out the "Trouble" album album especially for some Murray's great style.

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Rich D 23/04/2003
rich@richdavenport.co.uk
Hi guys!
I agree Rich & Brian about the Southern Rock bands you mention - excellent stuff! Molly Hatchet had their moments, too - "Fall of the Peacemakers" springs to mind. Also, there's a band that's been going for more than 25 years now, called Riot - anybody failiar with them? The had a string of great albums in the late 70s, such as "Narita", "Rock City" and "Fire Down Under". They're still going, in a slightly heavier vein, and the majority of their songs have twin-guitar riffs and sometimes entire solos, often played at breakneck pace!
Has anyone heard the Flyin' Ryan Brothers? Have heard good things, but haven't heard anything by them.
Dee - you're right, MT is a very uniques bassist, and I'm struggling to think of anyone similar to recommend, especially in terms of how Martin's playing locks in (no pun intended!)with the guitar harmonies. Phil Lynott did a few interesting counter-rhythm things in places, and IMHO was a very underrated bassist. MT's sound is very gutsy and upfront - the only others I can think of along similar lines (although they all sound very different) are John Entwistle (the Who)and maybe Lemmy! I saw John Enwistle play a 15 minute bass solo at a gig in 2000, and the crowd went nuts all the way through it! Have you heard King's X? They're a power trio, and the bass is fairly upfront with them. Their sound is totally unique, with amazing vocal harmonies - "Gretchen Goes To Nebraska" is a good album by them.

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Bobby Cameron 22/04/2003
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FAO - Matty ... the Irish band 'Ash' have been around for a good 8 years now. They were a bunch of teenagers when they started but have developed into a good hard rock band. I really enjoy their 'in your face' type of music and lyrics. FAO - Bob Skeat ... go you good FAMILY man ...

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Me 22/04/2003
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Paul. the nearest Wishbone Ash come is a track caled Jailbait (Thats the opening line)

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Name not given 22/04/2003
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"paul 19/04/2003
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need to find song called wondering why"

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Brian W. 22/04/2003
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Yes, I have the first 2 Henry Paul albums on vinyl: Grey Ghost and Feel the Heat. I hear that Wounded Bird Records are reissuing all 4 albums on CD in May. The first 2 are southern rock classics but I've never heard the last two.

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Dee 22/04/2003
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Brian, Green Grass is an all-time favorite jammer of mine! A few of us were just talking about an old Henry Paul Band album called "Gray Ghost." Do you have it?

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Brian W. 21/04/2003
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Oh, I forgot about the Outlaws (the 70's Southern Rockers not the 60's UK popsters). Their song "Green Grass and High Tides" make Skynyrd's "Freebird" sound like Mary Has A little Lamb!

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Brian W. 21/04/2003
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As far as twin guitar bands, I can't let Blackfoot be forgotten. Their albums are chock-full of tasty riffs and a few twin-guitar breaks. And early Scorpions has some twin leads too.

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bob c 20/04/2003
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Better get 'em in quick then, Mike - we drank the bar dry by 9.30 last time out! Fat Drummer doesn't get to be known as Fat Drummer for nothin'....
As for Humble Pie - just stick to Wishbone Ash...

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Mike Spooner 20/04/2003
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Fair enough, Bob. I am a reformed character as far as Andy & co are concerned. Wonder if they'll serve humble pie at the bar...

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bob c 20/04/2003
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...and while you're at the bar, Mike...!

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Rich T. 19/04/2003
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Hi guys! Don't forget about Lynyrd Skynyrd - some great tunes and even 3 guitars! Steely Dan, although musically going down another track also had some "moments of resemblance", so to say, check out "Reelin' in the years" guitar-work. Last but not least - Happy Easter everyone!

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Mike Spooner 19/04/2003
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Fat Drummer: Request for beer accepted. Can't wait for the DVD of this tour (out in the autumn)

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paul 19/04/2003
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need to find song called wondering why

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Dee 19/04/2003
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Rich D, other bands who have used the dual lead guitar harmonies as part of their sound are the Allman Brothers, Stillwater, & Point Blank. I can think of songs that featured guitar harmonies like WA and it always stands out when I hear it, but I can't think of any off the top of my head; isn't that funny? Yes, Keep Pushin' by REO is one of them. Boys are Back in Town by Thin Lizzy. But what about bands with bass players like Martin Turner? I haven't come across any. Maybe Uriah Heep in the days of Gary Thain ??? I'm not saying there aren't great bass players out there, just that Martin's style is very unique. Any recommendations for me?

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FatDrummer 18/04/2003
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FAO MIKE SPOONER.
"FatDrummer, if you're listening, I feel chastened and ashamed. Going to try & repent by getting to the Birkenhead gig tomorrow night...Oh to hell with repentance - it'll be bloody fantastic and I don't need an excuse".
No need to feel either emotion mate, i'm just pleased that you were blown away by them. I'm jealous as well, seeing as i'll not be seeing them on this tour (gotta wait until October)! Still, i've got the Ashcon to look forward to [hope that you're gonna make it this year...you can buy me a pint for pointing you in the right direction :)]
By the way....That's right...you DON'T need an excuse!!

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Rich D 18/04/2003
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Matty - yep, I remember reading about the Eagles connection and they certainly did some great stuff with the twin guitar format. So did Maiden for that matter. Have you heard very early judas Priest, e.g. "Rocka Rolla" ? I think I can detect a slight WA influence on some of their stuff, but then I'm biased! It's more in the riffs than that I notice it, as there aren't many actual guitar harmonies. Another metal band that had LOADS of twin guitar stuff was Stryper - I only heard them quite recently, but there are loads of twin riffs and solos. Much heavier than I thought they would be in places, too. Bit like Queen in the vocal dept, with extreme harmony parts stacked on there!
Bob - not laughing about 10cc, I can believe it! They were big on harmonies of every kind, e.g. "I'm Not In Love"!
One track that blew me away wwhen I first heard it wass "And Your Bird Can Sing" by the Beatles, from the "Revolver" album - this was in about 1966, and there are amazing harmonies all over it! Who woulda thunk it!?!

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Matty 18/04/2003
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The Iron Maiden boys often refer to WA as a major influence (and Steve Harris the bassist about MT too) plus - didn't the Eagles overhear WA recording 'There's the rub' in Miami in 1974 and expanded the twin guitar sound for Hotel California...?

Or has all this been discussed before!?

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Bob Uppendown 18/04/2003
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10cc (Ten CC) even??

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Bob Uppendown 18/04/2003
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other twin geeetar bands? dont laugh - 10c post-Godley & Creme. listen to any live recordings, esp. Art for Arts sake on Alive 1993 2CD. Some of the best twin lead youll hear this side of Andy and Lol. NE1 agree?

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Rich D 18/04/2003
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Dee, know what you mean about the "FPN" stuff - love all the tracks you mention! The harmonies on "Surface to Air" are amazing - the way they build up one by one in layers is sublime! Also on "Midnight Dancer" - you can even hear the guys singing the chorus harmonies in sequence on the fade-out of the song. Just getting into "New England", so will check out the tracks you mention in more depth! What really strikes me about this era is how fluid everything seems to be - there are lots of guitar fills between the vocals, and even some of the rhythm parts have plenty of variety, and yet when you hear live versions of stuff from this era, it's reproduced very precisely - the old "tight but loose" idea! Agree with you about Steve Upton, too! One of the most under-rated drummers ever. I remember playing the title track of "FPN" to a friend who is a monster drummer, former drum teacher,very into "drummer's drummers", and he commented on how good (and difficult to play!) the middle section of the song sounded. BTW,do you (or anyone else posting on here) like any other twin guitar bands? (I'm not suggesting comparing them in the sense of who does it best, as it's just personal taste). Obviously Thin Lizzy are a great example, but I've heard some great twin-guitar tracks from unexpected sources - for example, REO Speedwagon! Just heard a track by them called "Keep Pushin'" which has some very cool harmonies. Does anyone else have any recommendations?

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Mike Spooner 17/04/2003
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Just back from the Pacific Arts Centre Birkenhead gig. They just get better & better. The sound & lighting were excellent - quite a big venue stuffed to the gills with nutcases and a fabulous atmosphere. The guys seemed pretty gobsmacked with the reaction (mind you, the place was full of Scousers!!).
Back in the set list were Bona Fide (opener) followed by King Will Come, that had opened a couple of shows. Back came Almighty Blues as well....WOW. Wonder if my wife will let me out for another show?

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Dee 17/04/2003
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Rich D, "Baby the Angels are Here" is my favorite song off "No Smoke", it just strikes me as different, heavy in a way, and "Haunting Me" is one of my favorites and a song I can really relate to! I also really like "New Rising Star", "Living Proof", "Lifeline" and "Firesign". On "FPN" I think the bass really stands out on "FPN" and in particular "714" and "Surface to Air" which are also favorites. What, no "New England"? That whole album features what you call "very prominent bass riffs" and I think it's also Steve Upton's time to shine, too. "You Rescue Me" is my absolute favorite, extremely rich and dreamy, with beautiful tones coming from MT's bass and sensual vocals/lyrics. And "Lonely Island" will blow the speakers out in your car! Beautiful balance of light, sweet guitar and deep, "pounding surf" type bass. Another favorite and a great example of why I love WA so much.

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Mike Spooner 17/04/2003
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OK, just off to see them again (in about 1.5 hours) jealous????

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Mike Spooner 17/04/2003
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Matty
Thunderbirds are cropping up all over the place (Sterophonics is another one). Wonder if they bought one not realising they are an absolute bugger to play standing up unless you weight the body down with a bucket of sand!!!

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Matty 17/04/2003
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Are you guys aware of the great Irish band Ash? ('Burn baby burn', 'Shining Star' etc)

There's a funny post on their official website where a user bemoans the fact that upon searching for 'Ash' he gets loads of 'Wishbone Ash' links..!

Anyway, this band have a guitarist (Tim Wheeler) who users a Flying V and a bassist that uses a Thunderbird - much loved, of course, by Martin.

I don't know ANY band that has this combination - yet alone a group called Ash. Are they having a laugh, are they secret fans or is it just a weird coincidence?

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Rich Davenport 17/04/2003
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Hi gang
haven't posted for a while but have been "lurking"! Just wondered if anyone is going to the Burnley Blues Festival this weekend. I'm playing there with the Maddy Leigh Blues Band on the Saturday night, and am always more than happy to have a chat about the Ash, possibly for hours on end! Also, if anyone likes Monty Python / Goon Show style humour, I've got a comedy CD coming out in May, which also features a couple of (serious) music tracks which have bags of twin-lead stuff on them (in a heavier vein than WA, but influenced by them nonetheless). Sorry for all this shameless plugging, but it's an independent release (i.e. just me!)and I'm promoting it by word of mouth for the most part. Check out www.richdavenport.co.uk if yer interested!
On the Ash front have been listening to "No Smoke..." and "Just Testing" recently - Martin has a couple of crackers on these IMHO, namely "Haunting Me" and "Baby The Angels Are Near". The band seemed to have a few songs (on "Front Page News" too) which feature very prominent bass riffs with the guitars filling in the gaps, which I reckon sound great, very atmospheric - what do you guys reckon?

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Mike Spooner 17/04/2003
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This idiot is best ignored, Bob. It is a pity that he doesn't have the balls to use his real name. You are excused this Bob, because the name is top and chucklesque.

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Bob Uppendown 17/04/2003
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There really are some quite rude, heartless and downright ignorant people on this forum. Why when Gary has already explained Martin's lack of input recently do idiots like Mr. Dollar have to create firther speculation. Bearing in mind the reasons for MT's absence as stated by both Gary and Martin here, isnt this more than a little insensitive, verging on the sick. Hope a member of your family never falls ill Mr.Dollar....

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Al Mitey Dollar 17/04/2003
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further to my earlier posting..........obviously MT is receiving $0 from this website, thus his lack of communication. Say it isn't so Martin. You tell me to go out & steal a million dollars.

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Donald Trump 17/04/2003
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As harsh as it may sound, the official WA site was set up to make $, this site on MT's behalf was obviously set up to also create $. Obviously MT is receiving

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Mike Spooner 17/04/2003
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Bob C....you told me so. FatDrummer, if you're listening, I feel chastened and ashamed. Going to try & repent by getting to the Birkenhead gig tomorrow night...Oh to hell with repentance - it'll be bloody fantastic and I don't need an excuse.

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Dee 17/04/2003
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Rich, enjoy Yes! I saw them back in Nov 02 and Nov 99 and really enjoyed both shows. In 02 Porcupine Tree opened up for them and I thought they were really interesting. As for Yes, they did a lot of old stuff, and Chris Squire really stood out.

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mike tarling 16/04/2003
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i'll have a look for that - i heard he SLEEPS in that hat!

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bob c 16/04/2003
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Hi Mike
Ref Bob's allegedly 'receding' hair - a suspicion which is obvious, but totally unfounded. There is a pic somewhere on the .com site with his hat off!
All the best

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Rich T 16/04/2003
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Gary C - I guess I have to apologize, although my remark about us being iced out by Martin was by no means meant to be offensive. It was one of those moments when you burst out after a period (a long one, you have to admit it, Gary) of waiting for something that does not seem to materialize. I just wanted to draw your (and Martin's) attention to the fact that without his more visible presence on this site we sometimes may feel like hmmmm..."a motherless child", and that's all.
The latest concert reviews by Fred R and Mike Spooner make me feel so envious! It's just great to hear that WA is doing so fine! But now I'm gonna make you envius, guys.In two monts from now I'm seeing Yes (June 15) and King Crimson (June 16). If I could see WA June 17 I'd be ready to die!

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Bobby Cameron 16/04/2003
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No problem ... see you there Billy. Looking forward to seeing the guys in action ... LOL.

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Billy Auld 16/04/2003
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Anyone going to Hull Gig tonight? Maybe like to meet up before hand in a pub ofcourse!!! Any suggestions as to where and when. I'll be in the Red Lion in Anlaby from 6.00 pm.Anyone who turns up without a car can share a taxi to venue which is close by.

cheers Billy

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Robert Harrison 16/04/2003
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As bad a lead vocalist as Andy is, his verse rendition (multi tracked) of 'Ballad of the Beacon' is truly memorable. Together with Martins' brilliant verse harmony & Chorus (double tracked)& Teds' solos it is without a doubt WA's best song & as good as any song released in the 70's.

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bobc33 15/04/2003
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Well, Mike, it's not going to be a self-satisfied, smug 'We told you so,' but it is great to hear first-hand from a self-declared apprehensive what a damn good time you had watching the current band. They are definitely going from strength to strength on this tour. If you can make it to the Mean Fiddler gig, do so - a new DVD is going to be recorded there. Wish I could make it (anyone going from nr Portsmouth with a couple of spaces to spare PLEASE contact me now!! - time factor rather than expense is a problem).

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Mike Spooner 15/04/2003
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The only thing that I have the slightest problem with about the gig was Bob's hair which must surely be glued to his cap at the back. C'mon Bob, lose the cap & release the pate. Look what happened to Andy Powell - he used to dress like Rupert Bear when he started receding. Now he looks cool and 20 years younger than he did more than 10 years ago.

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Mike Spooner 15/04/2003
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(oops...pressed return by mistake)
ed away like a demon and they also had an amazing guitarist called Andy Powell!
I would urge anyone who has even the slightest passing interest in WA to see this band - they were nothing short of incredible. I am going to see them again in the next couple of weeks, at least once (never followed a band around like a saddo before!)

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Mike Spooner 15/04/2003
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Tell you what, I am the first to admit that I avoided the current lineup until this tour. What a mistake that was - the band has become a fantastic unit and they seemed to be really enjoying themselves. Ben whatshisname is one of the most amazing guitarists that I have ever seen and Bob Skeat was a mighty powerful bassist (although not quite with the stage presence of Martin Turner) and was most impressive on the new material. Ray Weston pound

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Mike Spooner 15/04/2003
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Matty, what about this lot:
Time Was (full version), Phoenix (full version including impromptu messing about in the audience from a Mr Andrew Powell), Livin' Proof, Blowin' Free, Jailbait, Throw Down the Sword, Warrior, Standing in the Rain, Underground, Bad Weather Blues, The King Will Come, plus several tracks from Bona Fide and one from Illuminations (I forget which, but they were all stormers)

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Fred R 15/04/2003
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Matt, they played "Jailbait" and "King Will come" when I last saw them in March. Both sounded wonderful...

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bob c 15/04/2003
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Don't worry Matt, plenty of faves & some excellent new tracks too. 'King Will Come' was played at last gig, I think. 'Time Was' full version is definitely in. Your mates will not be disappointed!

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Matty 15/04/2003
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I'm dragging some mates to the Ash gig in London next week who haven't seen them for years.

Is it true they're not playing The king will come, Sometime World or Jailbait....?

What am I gonna tell 'em?!

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Mike Spooner 15/04/2003
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I am awestruck and partially deaf. More later when I can think straight. Truly awesome

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bob c 15/04/2003
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Be interested in your report, Mike...

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Gordon 14/04/2003
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Gary - Sorry to put you on the defensive somewhat; I appreciate all that you do for the fans. I love the site, it's part of my daily ritual. My point was that the Q&A has been a bit of an empty tease of late, that's all. As for the lack of questions, I think you might find that the dialogue would be self-perpetuating if the Q&A section was updated more frequently. I'm pretty sure that the questions that I've submitted have not already been covered in the past and I certainly hope I've not blown my chance of getting them answered one day!!
I didn't mean to ruffle any feathers. God bless Martin and his family, I hope all the troubles are over soon.

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Mike Spooner 13/04/2003
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just under 19 hours to go and then I will see WA for the first time since 1991 (well one of them anyway) Can't wait. Just like a kid on Christmas Eve..............

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Fred R 13/04/2003
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Ditto for me, Gary...well said. On another note, I'm glad to hear the band is still smokin' along in the U.K. tour. Their NY show was incredible and this band can rock. Enjoy everyone!

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bob c 13/04/2003
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... And another stonker of a gig at Frome last night (for more fan reports, see .com site forum). Afterwards the band were as usual very friendly & approachable. My bro' has seen many top bands over the years, says he would recommend WA live to anyone, & his 17 year old daughter was really into it (her first gig).
Check 'em out, any one who has any interest in WA should see at least one gig if they can this tour.

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Phil Davis 13/04/2003
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Just wanted to say what a fantastic gig, Gloucester, 11th April.

Guys you were brilliant........took my lady friend who had never been to a 'decent' rock live act before...she loved every damn minute of it......danced through every number...even though she didn't know half the songs.

We felt like ageing rockers, but we didn't care, we all were.....no cussing no blinding, like these new bands, just sheer classy music from beginning to end. Andy she had never heard playing like that........come back soon......you made an old sod very happy indeed...just keep rollin' away the years.

Many thanks,

Phil Davies & Chris Horsley-Bovey.

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Dee 13/04/2003
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About the Just Testing and No Smoke outtakes, fans at Ashcon 2002 were lucky enough to hear snippets of a few of the songs. They are: Is Justice Done, Hear the Bells Chime, Out on a Limb, Football and Boxing, Sheriff of Sherwood, Haunted House, Too Much Monkey Business (Live), and The Spontaneous Jam. I was extremely excited to hear these songs and can't wait to hear what comes of these tapes. I love that era of the band. As for the Q&A, if you subscribe to the e-newsletter you'll get the answers when they come out, that way you won't be checking the Q&A on the web site all the time. Thanks to Gary for providing us with the feedback forum. Before this I was driving the Grand Funk list nuts talking about Wishbone Ash and Martin!

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Mike Spooner 13/04/2003
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Well said, Gary. Artists are not there just to churn out music for their fans and are allowed to have a real life as well.

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Gary Carter 12/04/2003
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I would like to comment on the remarks regarding the Q&As. Firstly, YES, you are all right. The Q&A page needs a long overdue update. I will raise my hand and take the blame for not uploading the last batch of questions which Brian W mentions. My oversight, and one which I will see about rectifying ASAP. Gordon, as for me phoning Martin once a month with 20 questions, I have this to say. Firstly, I maintain regular contact with MT by both e-mail and phone. Secondly, I'd love to actually RECEIVE 20 questions a month (and better still, questions which dont go over ground already covered elsewhere on the site!!). On last talking to Martin, he did apologise sincerely for not getting around to the outstanding Q&As before now. Those of you who keep in touch with this board on a regular basis will have read Martin's message of a few months ago, detailing the personal trials he is presently experiencing, specifically concerning his brother Kim's ill health. Because I respect the fact that right now Martin's priority is with his family at this difficult time, I deliberately have not "hassled" him into pulling his finger out on the Q&A front. I know him well enough to realise he will honour his promise to answer them as and when. That is good enough for me, if it isn't good enough for some of his fans, then I do apologise sincerely. Gordon - we are all well aware of Andy's efforts - his talent and dedication speaks for itself and is not in any way being brought into disrepute here. Rich - as for Martin "icing out" his ardent fans, I am sure those who have spoken to him at recent gigs will disagree with you and would have found him quite approachable. Isn't it a little unfair to make such statements based on assumption rather than knowledge? I don't want to get into tit-for-tat on this one, but with Martin out of the country at the moment, I guess someone needs to attempt to put this all into perspective. What I am trying to say is that life can be complex for us all at times and, as important as both the legacy and continuation of WA may be, I am sure most will agree that, at times, we all have more pressing issues to deal with.

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Brian W. 11/04/2003
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Mike, Andy announced at several gigs in Germany and the US earlier this year, that tapes had been found containing outtakes and other goodies from the 1979/80 Just Testing sessions (Looking for a Reason, is reportedly among them). He plans on releasing them later this year. I, for one, am extremely excited about this release because this album is one of my faves. I wonder if Martin Turner will be involved since it appears to be in Andy Powell's posession. Keeping my fingers crossed...

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mike tarling 11/04/2003
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yes, it's a pity about the q&a but gordon never said the rest of the site was rubbish, he just said he's not going to check the q&a any more. i'd go along with him on that - if someone says there are going to be updates soon then you naturally check for them and feel disappointed when they don't materialise!

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Gordon 11/04/2003
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I'm not alleging any false advertising and I completely agree that MT owes us nothing. However, a little morsel from time to time would be nice.

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mike tarling 11/04/2003
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have i missed something? what lost just testing tapes?

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Brian W. 11/04/2003
proudwords@comcast.net
Gordon and Rich T., You guys are absolutely entitled to your opinions but...I strongly disagree. I do not feel Martin Turner owes us anything. The fact that he endorses this site and only infrequently particpates or contributes is his own business. It does not mean that there's false advertising going on here. Many artist endorse a site without actually participating. Of course, I would love to interact with one of my all-time heroes but if he cannot or will not for whatever reason, than it certainly does not warrant any criticsm from me. MT had answered several of my Q&A's via e-mail several months back but they have not yet been uploaded onto the website. So any contribution by MT should be treated as a bonus.

I do have a question for Martin: What is your perspective of the recently-announced future release of the lost Just Testing tapes? Cheers!

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Rich T 11/04/2003
rtomas@go2.pl
Absolutely right, Gordon. Every now and then Gary C promises a new set of Q&A, but nothing new has appeared for a year, I guess. Pity that Martin seems to ice out his ardent fans the world over, I think we don't deserve it, the proof of which is our presence here!

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bob c 11/04/2003
bobc33@ntlworld.com
...re my earlier post, they did 'Wings Of Desire' electric version too.

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Gordon 11/04/2003
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I'm giving up checking the Q&A section of this site. MT might endorse the site, which is good to know, but he does nothing for it. I'm sick of reading the current Q&A - it has to be 6 months old! I love Martin's Wishbone legacy as much as the next person, but if you're going to be associated with a site like this and advertise some form of connection with your fan base, you should actually do something. Gary could call him once a month and fire off 20 questions, type it up and 'bingo'.
I'm not taking sides in any percieved Andy versus Martin dispute, but let's face it, Andy is the one that's out there busting his butt, criss-crossing various countries and putting on kick-ass concerts in order to (among other things) keep the Wishbone legacy and catalog alive.

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bob c 10/04/2003
bobc33@ntlworld.com
Well Dave, you're gonna see a great show, methinks! Saw them last night at The Brook,and despite a fairly radical change in set list, it was smiles all the way... Set list went something like this, not particularly in any order:
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