Archive Postings: January 2005 - October 2005
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Mike Spooner 19/01/2005
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It's back!!!
Cool!!
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Billy Auld 20/01/2005
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Fantastic to see the forum back to it's original format! Just a shame it had to be withdrawn for the reason it was. Hopefully ALL Wishbone Ash fans will see the sense in having sites that represent the contribution from the original members. Martin's right to use the name HE came up with should NEVER have been questioned in the first place.Not only did Martin come up with the name WISHBONE ASH but he was the major songwriter and prominent driving force that made the band the fantastic musical force that we first heard and loved.Steve, Andy and Ted were and still are recognised as crucial to what this brilliant band are about. Laurie was also a major contributor who deserves just as much acclaim as Andy and Ted.It's important to recognise that the band that is Wishbone Ash now is a result of many difficult and often contentious decisions made in the past. Let's look to the future and enjoy ALL Wishbone related activities from ALL past,present and future contributors to the music. It's all about the music. Billy
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Jay. L. Bate 20/01/2005
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Billy,
you would have made a good lawyer for a Scotsman. Good words of wisdom mon.
Yes 'let's move along now' as PC39 used to say.
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Mike Tarling 20/01/2005
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just read the "announcement", but with all due respect to martin's credentials, this site has GOT to start making it clear that it is acting on behalf of martin turner (whose past includes wishbone ash) and NOT "the current" wishbone ash. it is not good enough just to say you have offered to co-operate - START DOING IT NOW!
billy, i have supported a lot of what you have said in the past, but even you said recently that this site should not be called wishbone ash and should be re-named martin turner, so i cant agree with what you say below.
having said all that, i am pleased to note martin plans a year of activity and will be looking out for him!
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Fee Nicks 20/01/2005
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The statement from Gary and Martin reads fair. Andy Powell wanted Nominet to review the case. That has happened and the decision is now known. The decision has to be respected, whatever ones personal opinion, so can we move on from this tiresome topic. Martin and Gary make it clear from their statement that no grudges will be held and offer to negotiate with Andy over any future issues. As fans we must let Andy take up that offer if he wants to, or pass on it if he chooses. Martin and Gary are right to ask that this is dealt with offline. We have no right to tell Andy or Martin what to do in this public forum. Fans continuing to argue over this on either site will only harm TWO artists who have both given us much pleasure over the years. MikeT: Doesn't "This site is fully endorsed by Martin Turner - the founder member of Wishbone Ash." make things clear enough? Nominet obviously thought so and, presumably, they are more qualified than us to make such decision. Let's talk about music, NOT the music business. Most intersting in the statement is news of forthcoming Martin activity. Wouldn't we be better discussing/speculating over that than keep talking about yesterdays news.
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billy auld 20/01/2005
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I really hope Martin has real intentions to put a project into gear this year. I also hope it involves dusting off some of the Wishbone material that has been neglected over the years. Whatever format Martin chooses I'm sure it will be well supported by his fans. Great to know that he is finally feeling able to focus on his music considering all the difficult and tragic circumstances he has had to deal with recently. See you on the road Martin! Billy
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Mike Spooner 20/01/2005
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Something new from Marttin would really make my year. Can't wait to find out what this is all about.
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Grant Morden 20/01/2005
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How come I can find few new released stuff during the Laurie Wisefield period. I think New England is one of Wishbone Ash's best albums.
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Name not given 21/01/2005
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err..probably because Laurie hasnt recorded with the band since 1985!
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Billy Auld 22/01/2005
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One of the great things about this site is having the opportunity to ask Martin a question in the Q+A section. Hopefully Martin will get round to addressing the questions more frequently than before! I've just posed a question and would encourage more people to do the same. Billy
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magnusT 22/01/2005
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Chek out ´LostPearls´
Hard On You and
Sheriff of Sherwood is Laurie,s. I still wait for Wishbone to play Sherwood live. It must happen some day. It´s sad that Laurie have quit compose music. He was good at it.
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Dee 22/01/2005
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Nothing said
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Dee 22/01/2005
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Sorry about that! I'm glad to see the return of this format and the recent activity. I was watching some WA video the other night, the 1976 Rockpalast (sp?) and 1989 reunion show at Bristol (if I remember correctly). For those who haven't gotten their copy of Phoenix Rising DVD set, it's neat to have, really interesting, but I wonder about some of the album reviews! Hope that catches your interest. Also, I listened to Reeperbahn last night, New England the other day, the first one yesterday. Get your WA out and play it. I've recently been turning on a bass playing friend of mine to the beauty of Martin's tone and style. It's like hearing it all for the first time again.
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Mike Spooner 23/01/2005
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Dee - Martin's playing is impossible to copy - I've been trying for 25 years!! That man has cost me a fortune in four-stringed planks of wood over the years and has a lot to answer for!
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billy auld 23/01/2005
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Hi Mike and Dee, Nice to see the forum is beginning to be used again. I suppose it'll take time for the discussions to become normalised after the enforced lay off. Anyone got any wishes regarding Martin's promised renewed activity?
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Dee 23/01/2005
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Mike, absolutely. I've never heard anyone else with Martin's sound. Billy, one guess!!! Martin, make my dream come true. You ALL know what that is :-)
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billy auld 23/01/2005
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Read into this what you will. I read propaganda BIG TIME.Anyone who has a preference of past line ups of the band and has expressed their preference can assume they are "nay sayers" Any Wishbone ash fan who has the notion that he can express his personal opinion and still be accepted as a fan of Wishbone ash music better think again.Either go right along with the current line up or any other line up or you are seen to be living in the past! Leon, I can't believe you believe what you have just said.
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Name not given 23/01/2005
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Happy New Year everyone!
It's hard to believe, but 2005 marks the 35 Anniversary for Wishbone Ash. It seems like just yesterday that I was cracking the seal on their first album and putting the needle to the grove to "Blind Eye." Well, a lot has happened over the past 35 years. Band members have left, rejoined and left again. The only constant, Andy Powell, continues on to delight the fans with Wishbone's unique, quality music for new and old a like to enjoy and savor. Who knew 35 years ago that the Wishbone flag would still be flying, when so many of the big name groups of the day are no more then memories. But the Ash survives due to the never say die attitude of Mr. Powell. For every change in the line-up something new has been brought to the table. The nay say'ers clinging to the past may never be satisfied, but for those of us who think in terms of "what is" as oppose to "what was" realize that if it weren't for the current line-up of Andy, Bob, Ray and Muddy there would be no need for this newsletter. I for one am thrilled to have been a part of the history and adventures of Wishbone Ash for the past 35 and look forward to the future, because the best is yet to come. Nuff said.
2004 was a banner year for Wishbone Ash and their fans, and it looks like 2005, the bands 35th Anniversary Year, is going to be even more exciting. Already, WA have played in Turkey to rave reviews and are currently on tour in Germany. Once the German tour is complete, Andy and the lads will be turning their attention to the Spring USA & UK tours.
In case you missed it, Andy issued this statement concerning the Tsunami victims on the Wishbone Ash web site. "As a result of the Asian Earthquake and the still unfolding tragedy, we've decided to donate the proceeds of one show from each of the four upcoming tours planned for the next 6 months, to one of the Tsunami relief funds. We thought this would be one way for us, the band, and you, our friends and supporters to do something tangible which could make a real difference." Nice one!
I have been informed that the band is currently writing new material while on tour. And have plans to continue this monumental effort in between tours. With any luck we could be seeing a new offering from Wishbone Ash by the fall of 2005. I don't know about you, but I for one am chopping at the bit for a new album from Andy, Bob, Ray & Muddy.
Speaking of Muddy, If you've not seen the Powell, Manninen guitar tag team yet, are you in for one hell of a pleasant surprise. Muddy brings some powerful chops to the table in this post Ben Granfelt era of WA. To say that this guy smokes on lead and slide guitar would be an understatement. This may well be one of the most exciting incarnations of Wishbone Ash ever.
The XM Satellite Radio Show has been mixed and is ready to go. As soon as we have a broadcast date, which should be in early February, I will post it on the web site. From what I've heard, this show will more than likely be repeated many times over the next year. Me thinks it's time to get my XM receiver!!
This just in! A date is being held for the UK AshCon in 2005. I hope to have an official announcement from Guy Roberts very shortly as to the where and when. As usual, this will coincide with the 2nd UK tour of the band in 2005.
Now for the really big news! Andy has informed me that long time fan and friend Ram Benz recently contacted him about the possibility of staging a US AshCon in Scranton, PA. Ram owns a beautiful old turn of the century theater in downtown Scranton that is fully equipped to do audio and video recording. From what I have been told, this would be a two day event and feature both acoustic and electric sets by the band. The projected dates for the US AshCon are June 3rd & 4th, 2005.
With the current value of the pound vs the dollar, this may well be the best deal going for fans of the band in the UK and Europe. As more information is received, and the "T's" are crossed and the "I's" dotted, I will pass along final details well in time for everyone to make travel and hotel plans. See you in Scranton, PA!!
WISHBONE ASH "35 ANNIVERSARY" TOUR DATES 2005
January
23-Jan-05 Fabrik Hamburg, Germany -- 0049-40-39 10 70
25-Jan-05 Heimathaus Twist, Germany -- 0049-5936-21 51
26-Jan-05 Harmonie Bonn, Germany -- 0049-228-61 40 42
27-Jan-05 Elfenbein Bielefeld, Germany -- 0049-521-600 19
28-Jan-05 Music Hall Worpswede, Germany -- 0049-4792-961 51
29-Jan-05 Live Club Barmen Wuppertal, Germany -- 0049-202-563 64 44
30-Jan-05 Lagerhalle Osnabruck, Germany -- 0049-541-338 74 0
February
01-Feb-05 Musiktheater Rex Lorsch, Germany -- 0049-6251-58 86 65
02-Feb-05 Substage Karlsruhe, Germany -- 0049-721-37 72 74
03-Feb-05 Hirsch Nürnberg, Germany -- 0049-911-418 09 77
04-Feb-05 Quasimodo Berlin, Germany -- 0049-30-312 80 86
05-Feb-05 Zur Linde Affalter, Germany -- -
06-Feb-05 Alte Mälzerei Regensburg, Germany -- 0049-941 75738
09-Feb-05 Spirit of 66 Verviers, Belgium -- -
10-Feb-05 Boerderij Zoetermeer, Holland -- -
11-Feb-05 Iduna Drachten , Holland -- -
12-Feb-05 Plato Helmond, Holland -- 0492-599293
13-Feb-05 Doornroosje Nijmegen, Holland -- -
March - More Dates to be added soon!
04-Mar-05 Recher Theatre Towson, MD, USA -- 410-337-7178
05-Mar-05 JAXX Springfield, VA, USA -- 703-569-5940
08-Mar-05 Luther's Blues Madison, WI, USA -- 608-257-1184
09-Mar-05 Waverly Beach Menasha, WI , USA -- 920-733-9721
10-Mar-05 Shank Hall Milwaukee, WI, USA -- 414-276-4545
11-Mar-05 Chicago City Limits Schaumburg, IL , USA -- 847-524-9910
12-Mar-05 Chubby Rain - House of Tunes Poplar Grove, IL, USA -- 815-765-1884
16-Mar-05 Winchester Music Hall Lakewood, Ohio , USA -- 216-226-5681
17-Mar-05 Thirsty Ear Columbus, OH, USA -- 614-299-4987
18-Mar-05 Moondog's Blawnox, PA , USA -- 412-828-2040
April
01-Apr-05 The Lowry Manchester, UK -- 0161 876 2000
02-Apr-05 Pacific Road Arts and Exhibition Centre Birkenhead, UK -- 0151 647 0752
05-Apr-05 Park Hotel Tynemouth, UK -- 07760 400 226
07-Apr-05 Loreburn Hall Dumfries DG1 1LN, UK -- 01387 267 894
09-Apr-05 Villa Marina Gaiety Theatre Douglas, UK -- -
10-Apr-05 The Boardwalk Sheffield, UK -- 0114 279 9090
11-Apr-05 The Limelight Club Crewe, UK -- 01270 251 929
12-Apr-05 The Rescue Rooms Nottingham, UK -- 0115 958 8484
13-Apr-05 The Springhead Willerby, UK -- 01482 650 924
15-Apr-05 The Venue Chichester, UK -- 01243 775888
17-Apr-05 Robin 2 Wolverhampton, UK -- 01902 401 211
21-Apr-05 NCLA Newport, UK -- -
22-Apr-05 The Pigs Nose Inn East Prawle, UK -- 01548 511209
23-Apr-05 Cheese and Grain Frome, Somerset, UK -- 01373 455420
24-Apr-05 Beaufort Theatre Ebbw Vale, UK -- 01495 350 360
26-Apr-05 The Waterfront Norwich, UK -- 01603 50 80 50
27-Apr-05 The Stables Milton Keynes, UK -- 01908 280800
28-Apr-05 The Brook Southampton, UK no info 023 8055 5366
29-Apr-05 The Mean Fiddler London, UK -- 020 7434 9592
30-Apr-05 Bisley Pavilion Bisley, UK -- 01252 329 155
Don't forget to check out the Merchandise section of the Wishbone Ash Web Site, http://wishboneash.com/merch.asp , as we now have in stock the "Phoenix Rising, Inside Wishbone Ash" limited edition DVD set. Also featured are the "Backbones" & "Wonderful Stash" CDs as well.
Cheers and all the best in 2005,
Leon, for Andy, Ray, Bob & Muddy
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Billy auld 23/01/2005
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Just in case there is any doubt...I copied and pasted this.
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Val E. Diction 23/01/2005
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Will you be posting this opinion on wishboneash.com or just on Martin's site?
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billy auld 24/01/2005
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already have. Watch for the shrapnel flying! If the comments were not meant to be a dig or provoke, why make them?
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Grant Morden 24/01/2005
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Has Wishbone Ash ever played in Ottawa Canada before. If not (and I don't think they have), Why?
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Fee Nicks 24/01/2005
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where on the .com site are your comments Billy, couldnt see them.
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Peace Keeper 24/01/2005
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Guys, we've just got our guestbook back and right away we are all bitching again. Remember why the book was closed in the first place? The dispute between the two sites is hopefully now in the past. Throughout the dispute Gary and Martin acted in a dignified manner. They did not publicly slag off the other site. They did not allow fans to do likewise on the guestbook. Meanwhile, the other site cntinually allowed itself to be used as a soapbox for those who wished to carry out malicious attacks. Whatever anyones opinion on the rights and wrogs of the result of the Nominet enquiry, it is a fact that of the two sites it was the .co.uk site which acted in the most gentlemanly manner throughout. So..let's not drag this guestbook down to the same level as the .com site forum reached a few weeks ago. Let's get back to some conversation. So, what would people like from Martin's next project. I'd love to see him pursue a direction which combines traditional Ash with some of the more offbeat stuff he used to contribute - kimnd of Argus meets Just Testing meets Here to Hear meets Reeperbahn would be nice. These are elements that have been unheard for way too long...
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Billy Auld 24/01/2005
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For Fee Nicks. Go to the .com forum and in the outward bound section I have posted on the 'Rant Room' thread. I would just like to clarify something regarding the nature of the newsletter i have cut and pasted from my Email. The news letter is in fact an excellent newsletter with some great news for USA fans in particular. I hoped that the Nominet decision would be met with a degree of professionalism from both sites. The comments in the newsletter regarding"nay say'ers" is just another swipe at this site and fans who express their opinions about past and present line ups of the band. I have posted on the .com site about my enjoyment of the various line ups but it seems to fall on deaf ears. They only want to continue to dig and provoke anyone who is seen to not toe the party line. That's why i have continued to post my honest opinions on both sites to show I'm not going to be intimidated by snide ,malicious comments instigated by the moderators of the .com site. I will no longer participate on that forum as it is certainly biased. I will,however continue to enjoy the music of Wishbone Ash and sing the band's praises. I will even continue to go see the band live which at the end of the day is what it's all about. Peace keeper, I agree fully with what you say but the matter in the newsletter had to be addressed as far as I'm concerned. Billy
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billy auld 24/01/2005
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Hey Grant, Wishbone played the Civic Centre Ottawa on March 30th 1973 They have played at various times over the years in Canada but not sure if Ottawa has had a visit in recent years. With renewed activity in the States you never know, they just might get back to you. Billy
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WISHBONE ASH FOREVER 24/01/2005
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BILLY I AM GLAD YOU WILL BE STAYING AWAY FROM .COM, IT'S A PLACE FOR PEOPLE WHO LOVE WISHBONE ASH. YOUR RECENT ACTIVITIES PROVE THAT YOU ARE BETTER OFF IN TURNER AND CARTERS CAMP. LEAVE THE WISHBONE ASH FANS WHO LOVE THE MUSIC OF THIS BRILLIANT BAND ALONE!!!!!!!!
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Mike Spooner 24/01/2005
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Wishbone Ash Forever, eh?. What a devoted fan you are. Now PLEASE can we all just shut up, grow up and enjoy the past and the present. This is about music, isn't it? Perhaps I'm wrong about that for some people.
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Dee 24/01/2005
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We are a passionate bunch, aren't we? I'm way open to anything Martin is involved in creatively, whether it's playing bass, producing, songwriting, whatever. But I would LOVE to see Martin take the lead in a band, meaning do the majority of the songwriting and play in the style that blew me away (i.e., Wishbone Ash). I like the comment about Argus, Just Testing, Here to Hear, and Reeperbahn. I want to have something to look forward to from my favorite musician. Related to this, but sort of as a side note, I've come to a realization of sorts. I'm noticing that as I get older I'm feeling everything much more deeply. And when I see and hear mature musicians play, I see how they have also grown and can play with a sensitivity and depth that maybe younger musicians can't quite conjure up. Okay, this doesn't always happen. Some musicians lose their chops, I've seen that, too. But from my position, having listened to the recorded music and attended the live performances that I have, I just feel that now is a perfect and prime time for Martin to step out boldly with whatever it is he wants to do. I am 40 years old, and in a recent lament to a friend of mine, I talked about my younger years, when maybe physically (i.e., beauty, power, etc.) I was as at my peak. But you know, I think as we get older we become more ourselves, not less. I want to hear what the years have done to Martin.
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Gordon 24/01/2005
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I don't want to be negative . . but if Billy Auld wants to boycott the .com forum and confine his rantings to this forum, then that's fine by me. That's a saving of 50%!
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Billy auld 24/01/2005
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Gordon, With all due respect, you don't know anything much about what this is about. Feel free to chat with me personally. I'm a long time fan of Wishbone ash. Like you i have followed the band from the early seventies and have always used Wishbone as the benchmark for other bands to measure up to.Don't go thinking I'm just a trouble maker like many other well intentioned fans think I am.They don't know the way I have been victimised by Andy's henchmen who are ignorant themselves of ALL the background to my issue with Andy powell.If you want to have a reasonable discussion with me about what is actually behind my provocative attitude then feel free to ask me. billy@auld1.freeserve.co.uk If you don't really want some insight to all of this then please don't poke your neb in where it doesn't belong.As for Wishbone Ash Forever....Gary Sawyer, you make me laugh!
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Billy auld 24/01/2005
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By the way Gary Sawyer. If you do your sums right. 75% of the current Wishbone ash have very little if no claim on the music. The other 25% has by your calculations 25% of what's left. Not much of a claim gary.
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Gordon 25/01/2005
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Billy,
God bless you - you're not only a great, long-time fan, but you also brought your sons up to enjoy great music! My problem is that every time I log on to one of the forums (i.e. several times a day - yes I need to get a life also) I see the same old agenda coming up - I just wish you'd move on. If there's something about your history with Andy and his 'henchmen' that I still apparently know nothing about, then please feel free to e-mail me, or have one last, cathartic post on either site and let's get it out of the way and move on.
By the way, as this is a public forum for the fans and I decided to comment on something you posted, then surely my neb belongs here??
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Gordon 25/01/2005
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Nothing said
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Billy Auld 26/01/2005
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Gordon, you may have read my PM to you from the .com site so i wont labour the point here. I hope you appreciate my terminology was not meant to offend you but simly to point out that you didn't know much at all about my continuing grievance with AP. If you were offended i'm sorry.When you read my Pm to you please feel free to contribute on this forum and use it as a place to enjoy some conversation with me.Your "neb" definitely belongs here as it does on the .com forum. So sorry also for the negative stuff you and other Wishbone fans have seen from me and others. Maybe when you have taken onboard what i have said in my PM to you,you will understand my frustration. I am NOT going to address the subject again. From now on it is a dead parrot. I'm more interested in seeing martin,Ted,Laurie,Andy,and any other former or present or future member of Wishbone Ash get on the road and entertain us! With respect, Billy
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Gordon 26/01/2005
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Beautiful - I really appreciate the PM, I sent you a reply. The context you added was very interesting.
Dead parrot? No, it's just pining for th Fjords!
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Hotlanta Jeff 28/01/2005
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I'm baaaack! Now this is much better. Nice job on the chats gentlemen. I recently got a copy of Ash's latest show in Vegas on DVD..and also a copy of the Arizona show(cd only) where Ted showed and played. Really great stuff! I think the Mudman will be an excellent addition to the band, altho he seemed a bit uneasy (but still excellent) in Vegas. Ted sounded really great and the fans seemed shocked when he took the stage. He didn't miss a beat in Blowin Free either....
Billy Billy Billy! Whasup dogg? I can just imagine the smile on your face every time someone gives you flack for 'spressin yourself! You a nut!
HLJ
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Billy Auld 28/01/2005
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Hi HJ, My Maaaann! Great to see you here :¬) Nothin' wrong with me,just comin' to ma senses after beatin' ma head against a wall for too long. Hopefully Martin is going to get a project together that will help to redress the balance that has been lacking lately with the music played live with the Andy Powell Wishbone Ash. There's a vast catalogue of stuff that Martin and a properly selected band could offer the fans. I'm really looking forward to seeing what Martin has in mind. I'll even go see Andy's band and enjoy everything on offer. The fans will get the benefit of ALL that's goin'! Happy days! Billy
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Magnus Pike 28/01/2005
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MT needs to bring his WA talents to the road pretty soon as we're all getting pretty long in the tooth; hearing is going, memory is going, country club is calling, viagra is weekly prescription, Andy Powell has more hair than me, Billy Auld is repeating, repeating himself, Raquel Welch still looks hot.
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Chris 28/01/2005
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Dad, I'm quite impressed with your little smily face in your last post - its even got your nose!
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Hotlanta Jeff 28/01/2005
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Chris..you are too easily impressed!
So...dad has a Jimmy Durante honker, huh?
hlj
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Billy (Durante honker) Auld 28/01/2005
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Hows this then + +
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Billy 28/01/2005
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Well that didn't work. Back to the old face :¬)
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Gatesheadgit 29/01/2005
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Well if you think there's an argument here re the band, you should look at the "first guitar god" thread on the dotcom site; some gun-toting survivalist wants to arm the masses against the Eurocentic pinko-commie liberalist conspiracy overtaking the land of the free. All I did was mention The Dukes of Hazzard... Anyway it puts things in perspective; What's that great line.. "They shot the man who sold the dogs.."
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Chris 29/01/2005
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Jef - If I knew who Jimmy Durante was I would agree with you I'm sure.
Dad - Sorry
Chris
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r 30/01/2005
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Ray Pascual 30/01/2005
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Just been listening to Argus for the umpteenth time and still rate it so highly. In particular 'Throw down the sword' particularly because of the end passage where Ted and Andy mix harmony guitar with a kind of blending tunes ( i don't know the musical term for this ). Fantastic stuff. Do you guys have special sections/guitar riffs/ etc that are special to you?
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Hotlanta_Jeff 30/01/2005
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Chris,
Sorry kid...he (Durante) was old when I was a kid..but was known for his large shnozola...and I was only kidding of course, as were you I'm sure...too many folks on your dad's case...and I know he loves it most of the time....
Ray, I really liked it when the guys would trade riffs live..Ted and Andy did it alot and so did Laurie and Andy...Seems like Jail Bait was one where the did it the most...that's one of the the things I really liked about seeing them live...We'll see alot of that out of Muddy..
Yo Stodd..no politics here man.
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Stod 30/01/2005
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I love the Distillation set verson of "Blowin' Free" by the Mark 2 line-up in 1980, precisely for the interplay of the two leads. I really liked the "Granfelt line-up" for the freshness he brought to the old songs; his take on "The King Will Come" with that slightly distorted "Wah-Wah pedal?) introduction really made it his own; rather audacious really! Looking forward very much to see the "Muddy Ash" this April.
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Wigan Warrior 30/01/2005
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Sorry Ray Pascual but it isn't Andy and Ted soloing during the end solo on TDTS.
Andy recorded 2 solos but couldn't decide which one to use.I think it was photographer Storm Thorgasen who suggested why don't you use both. So they did.
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Ray Pascual 30/01/2005
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Wigan...gosh, that really is inside information! How do you know that? Any other gem pieces of info you can offer?
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Billy Auld 31/01/2005
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In a recording situation the work used can understandably be the work of one or other or all of the musicians in a given band. it's all about getting the right mix down for the integrity of the track/album.In the LIVE setting Andy and Ted worked out who would play which part and BOTH delivered as close to the recording as possible.No slight on Ted,just how it worked out at the time.
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William 02/02/2005
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Hello. I'd very much appreciate separating "american" dates from actual tour dates "in Canada". Canada is a big, sovereign nation north of "america" in case you guys haven't noticed. We had tickets to see Ash in Calgary, Alberta, Canada back in 1971 when their equipment was stolen in "america" and they never did play up north, at least I never (we) got to see them. So please, a little courtesy for the nation that didn't go to war in Iraq but who did supply the ballot boxes for the Iraqi election, William.
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Hotlanta_Jeff 02/02/2005
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William, by the looks of things, you will need to hitch up the doggs and make the trek across that border to your south if you'd like to see the great Ash. (Look, they don't ever git to Atlanta hardly so you aint gittin no simpathy from me!)
In all seriousness, just fdind the closest city to you and drive it. I have not seen Canada on their schedule...like ever!
Didn't go to war in Iraq? Pantywaist! :)
hlj
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Neil 02/02/2005
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ive got teds lap steel that he used in night of the guitar anyone interested in buying it email me
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billy auld 02/02/2005
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Hi Neil, So YOU bought it then! I enquired when it was on Ebay the first time. I asked Helen Turner about it (Ted's daughter) but felt the asking price was WAY over the top for a Hofner Shorty,albeit of interest to fans of Wishbone Ash/Ted Turner.It's not technically a lapsteel if it's the same guitar we are talking about. Did you buy it to use or as an investment Neil? Billy
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Stop Bashing the US 02/02/2005
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William, you spent more time in your post blaming the US than talking about Wishbone Ash. Do you really think bad-mouthing the US is the way to get Wishbone Ash to play in Canada? Last time I checked Canada was still part of North America. Or did your country suddenly break apart and become its own continent. What is your real agenda? Go post your grievances on some political US-bashing website because that is where your rhetoric belongs. Not here. This is not a forum for the political ramblings of a fool...
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Name not given 02/02/2005
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thought Helen was Teds wife not daughter
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billy auld 02/02/2005
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Name not given....why no name? secondly, Always possible that daughter was using mum's email address. Definitely said she was Ted's daughter...Hhhmmmm!
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billy auld 03/02/2005
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Just found the email I got from 'Helen Turner'. I stand corrected regarding who sent it. It was indeed sent as 'Helen Turner' but it was her daughter who sent it and said that her Mum was once married to Ted. Ted gave her(the daughter/his Stepdaughter) the guitar. Hope that isn't too much info. Billy
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Billy Auld 03/02/2005
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For what it's worth here's my thoughts on the North/South American divide. As a Scotsman I can relate to William's sentiments. Surely most people are aware of the long held grudge the Scots have against the English.They invaded and took control of Scotland and Northern Ireland. The bitter resentment STILL exists for many today.I see some similarities on the American continent. Yes there are many different elements involved and some similarities. There are many Canadians who are decendants of Scots who immigrated over the past couple of centuries or more.They are fiercely proud of their land and sovereignty. However like here in the Uk there's no getting away from the facts. Scots,English,Irish and Welsh (and Cornish some would say)are ALL a collective part of the British Isles. All separate nations but a collective just the same.The American Continent has many 'collective' parts but it's still 'America'. If a Canadian is called 'North American'is that incorrect or an insult? There is a perceived arrogance that exudes from England much the same as is felt by Canadians from the USA.Many Scots have and have had a strong desire to be fully independant of English rule (as they see it) but most recognise the benefit in 'British' government. There are benefits and drawbacks either way.I say recognise the benefits in unity and enjoy your differences without serious contention and bad feeling.Easier said than done ofcourse but each individual can make the choice to get over the past.
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Hotlanta Jeff 03/02/2005
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I had no idea that either of these issues were happening. Guess I don't get out enough anymore. But loyalty to country is important. Jusk ask any American since 9/11.
Being proud is very important. But remember this line ..(from "mean girls").ad lib here....saying bad things about someone else will not make you smarter, better, or cooler than them. It's all about how you feel about yourself.
So just say good things about yourself and your country, but don't put down others...it only makes you look bad...
That being said, I don't think Williams message was meant to be as insulting as some have taken it.
Rock on..
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Stop Bashing the US 03/02/2005
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If William doesn't like the way the tour dates are listed on this website, that's his call as to whether he wants to gripe about it or not. But to bash the US for the unfortunate gear-theft incident(nearly 34 years before!) and for the lack of Canadian dates is completely irrelevant and insulting. Canada is a phenomenally beautiful country and has also produced some outstanding music (and beer!). I won't ever bad-mouth Canada. So why must he bad-mouth the US. I don't think political discussions have a place on websites dedicated to music. If William is unhappy about the lack of Canadian appearances he should, instead of going to the trouble of making irrelevant comments, redirect all of his frustration and badger his local promoters into bring WA into town. I've seen WA in my area twice a year since 2000 because a lot of decent, like-minded individuals have embarked on a grass-roots campaign to keep WA coming back. Just a suggestion...
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Father Ted 04/02/2005
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I think everyone in the world should emigrate. I've done it 3 times, there are positives in every culture. It will solve all the worlds problems. Americans under 21 should go live in Iraq for 2 years. Iraqis should go & live in America for 2 years. Mexicans should go & live in America, (well they'll all be there by 2010 anyway), All Scotsmen should drink English beer for a year, Englishmen should wear kilts, change their name to Jimmy & be the only people allowed to watch Celtic v Rangers games . Everyone should live in Canada for a year, Beautiful people, very tolerant, During the winter youre too busy shovelling snow to get ticked off with anyone.
All territorial claims ie. Cashmir, should be decided by a one day game of cricket. And finally everyone in the world should be given a CD of Wishbone Ash's 'Everybody needs to have a friend' to promote love & Good will.
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Ray Pascual 04/02/2005
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OK...that's it for the politics...let's get back to the band?
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Billy Auld 04/02/2005
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FANTASTIC COMMENTS GUYS! Confirms what i've always thought.....Decent folk love Wishbone ash music! The music appeals to people who are maybe a bit deeper and philosophical. The lyrics are usually thought provoking and the music is very innovative and challenging. Father Ted....I'm with you 100% when it comes to Scots drinking English beer.I've been spoiled with choice at my local who have introduced me to the wonderful world of REAL ALE and mainly Yorkshire micro breweries. FANTASTIC! I'm all for living in Canada for at least a year! Wonderful country! Nothing wrong with the USA either! I'd love to spend some time touring the WHOLE OF THE AMERICAN CONTINENT.As for people of the world sharing cultures and experiences....SURE. We are ALL more alike than we are sometimes aware of. Billy
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Hotlanta Jeff 04/02/2005
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Father Ted,
It is so nice to see a man of the cloth who likes Wishbone Ash. Amen bro!
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Dee 04/02/2005
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The US would be a nicer place if Martin would grace us with his music!;-)
Seriously, though, I have never been out of the US and feel that it's something I definitely need to do. I have always wanted to visit England; mainly because I want to see and touch and walk among really old things and feel the energy of all that time and history.
Plus if Martin won't come to the US, I'll have to come to him.
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Hotlanta Jeff 04/02/2005
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Hey..I just read Andy's writeup on the German shows. It sounds like they are having a wonderful time and actually staying in some decent hotels!!!! They deserve it!
I see there are some good songs added to the setlist like Lady Whiskey, Pilgrim, and a few more. They keep on movin..which is why dey still here!
Glad it's Friday!!!
hlj
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billy auld 04/02/2005
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Hi folks, I just read Andy Powell's latest German tour report and like hlj I'm suitably impressed with some of the material they are including. Has anyone any comments about the vocals on this tour. I'd like to think there are more vocal harmonies. Does Muddy sing? Andy's voice isn't bad but it grates after a while.It's a feature of the music that has suffered for a while. The music needs more vocal texture in my opinion. Can't see where it's gonna come from though.Nice to see Bob Skeat's comment regarding the band beginning to feel like a band again. Yep glad it's Friday too hlj!
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magnusT 05/02/2005
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I bought a kind of bootleg a few days ago.Made in Tjeckoslovakia it was splendid. I realised how wonderful Martin Turners singin was. It was perfect to Wishbone music. Even the singer in AshboneUWish has a good voice and could
maybe sometime try to help Andy with the vocals.
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dave c. 05/02/2005
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Hey Billy If you check page nine on the rouges gallery youll see that supergob zillagod has been taking your name in vain .nothing too serious . but nae need for it just the same.After all hes the guy whos always telling everyone to cool it .amongst his myriad of comments .He says hell probably cop some slack for it whatever that means.Maybe a Glesga kiss would suit his supergob better .Personally Id sooner listen to your heartfelt comments any day as opposed to his record breaking waccy baccy induced posts.Hey am I a grass by the way.ha ha
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Billy Auld (in drag) 05/02/2005
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Hi Dave, Methinks Zill is trying to tease me back to posting on the .com site..."No way Jose!" He can call me a drag queen if he likes but he's a drama queen who drags ;¬) Love him to bits really. Hope he and others come here in the future to have a bit of friendly banter. Billy PS... WHAT'S HAPPENING MARTIN? Who was ill in the Bishops that caused the cancellation of the Dutch gigs?
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dave c. 05/02/2005
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Billy talking about Dutch gigs there is eight of us going over next week for the Helmond gig via a couple of Amsterdam cafes. Four whove never seen W.A. before apart from on DVD .Should be a good night out .Can ye no get a couple of days off and well see you over there.dave.c.
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Hotlanta_Jeff 05/02/2005
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Zill is a really good guy. Very generous too. I know he likes Billy alot, so any comments were only in jest, I'm certain.
And look, we don't want Billy back at the other site...he gets picked on too much! :-)
Andy is not too bad a singer, but they could use another lead vocalist. I don't think Muddy is that in to singing tho. No Claire Hamill please. Birchy had a good voice.
I don't care who's singing now. I just want them to do a new album. They say soon. I hope so.
hlj
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Stod 06/02/2005
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Has Backbones just been re-released already? I thought it was a few monhs old. There's quite a positive review in this month's MOJO magazine- the piece mentions "Beautiful packaged set" etc, summing up the collection as "Perfect for lapsed fans and die-hards, rewarding for the curious". It's a shame the reviewer then gives it only 3 stars (out of 5) which might put off the potentially "curious" buyers out there. Never mind, any publicity is good publicity, as they say...
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Billy Auld 07/02/2005
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I think the review in Mojo was a very fair rating. Obviously we fans find it hard to be overly critical of the band and just as offended when a review is not overly gushing but it said a lot of positive things. All in all it was on the money. *** is about right from an unbiased standpoint. Hopefully the next album will be even better received...it needs to be! Billy
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Billy Auld 07/02/2005
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Hi Dave C, My passport has lapsed otherwise the Holland trip would have been seriously considered. It's easy for me to get on the North Sea Ferries from Hull. Like a bus ride into town! Hope you all have a great trip and the band are right on form! Dave, keep the peace with our mate Zill. He is a sensitive soul you know! Respect Billy :¬)
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jon winder 08/02/2005
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hi billy! hope all is well in yorkshire. nice to see this old message board back. You know me, i don't pick sides, keep my opinions to myself.
keep the peace Dave C, it's not worth the agro.
Met both Zilla and billy, and both are sterling chap's.
jon w
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Billy Auld 08/02/2005
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Hi Jon, Great to see you posting here! You are right ofcourse about taking sides. It's all a waste of time and energy! My enjoyment of Wishbone Ash music is all encompasing. Just wish Martin and Ted etc,etc,etc would get their fingers out and get on the road with some music. Doesn't need to be from the archives.New stuff would be even better! Time and tide waits for no man! See you again sometime, Billy
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fubbster 09/02/2005
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In life it's good to reminisce about the good ole days; but we all have to move on......
Ted moved on in 73, then he reminisced in the 80's.. then took up Skiing. SU reminisced then figured Axe wineries paid more. AP reminisced & figured he was a great guitarist & that he had a marketable vehicle; WA.
Laurie Wisefield moved on & became a recognized talented journeyman guitarist. MT moved on & put his soul into production. Scottsmen moved on from Tartan bitter to Mc Callums. It's good to keep on moving on.
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Jef 09/02/2005
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Just wabted to send my best to all for a happy (Wishbone) Ash Wednesday! Hey, the relgious stuff aside, it's the only holiday that's called "Ash"!
Had the experience of being in New Orleans (home of the biggest "Fat Tuesday" celebration) a few months back. Forunate enough to guest with the hottest band on Boubon Street two nights in a row, so when New Orleans was all over USA TV today, it made me think we should all have an extra pint in honor of the Ash holiday!
Best to all of you.
Fond regards,
Jef
PS Do we know any more about the recent cancelling of a Blue Bishop's gig? Martin is OK isn't he? Last year was hard enough on him to take up his share of bad things for many years to come!
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Jef 09/02/2005
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Apologies for my mispelling I let slip through. I trust you all know what I meant. Thanks.
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Hotlanta Jeff 09/02/2005
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In response to the Fubbster, I have to agree somewhat. We do need to move on. Change is what makes us miserable at times, yet it's for the best. (most of the time)..However, one of the reasons I love records (CD's, etc)is that they DO help us remember times, places, feelings from the past. They are a frozen timepiece from our past that we can go revisit whenever we want. Get those feelings again, relive those teenage years in our minds. We all do it. Especially with the Ash music.
If you want a blast from the past, stick on a record. If you long for those days..hey, join the crowd...we all do. That's cool. I miss those days. But you know what? I need something new from TODAY that I can remember 20 more yrs from now. So let's get recordin! But let's never forget the old days. They are what made us who we are today!
Nuttin wrong with wishing for Andy and Ted and Marty to be playin again...heck, I do too...
Happy Ash Wednesday y'all.
hlj
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joachim 09/02/2005
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Nothing said
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joachim 09/02/2005
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Hallo, I just found your web and so glad to see things about the great band. I just zee then in Nuremburg and they were so excellent|
The songs old and new were great and sound also. The drummer was very impressive? I play drums too|
What is ze drummers name and who else does he play/ very good|
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Hotlanta Jeff 10/02/2005
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Whew! Did I repeat myself enough?
Sorry. I no like not being able to re-edit.
Hope all is well with everyone.
hlj
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Neil 10/02/2005
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no its still in our possesion im her son whos trying to sell it email for pics of ted turners original hofner shorty anyone whos interested in buying it
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dave c. 10/02/2005
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Hi Billy its a pity that you cant make it over to Holland it would have been good to see you there. Im sorry if ive upset Zillagod .I know hes Wishbone Ash to the bone it just annoyed me that he stirred it for you . I think youve had enough of that latley. Zilla if ive gave you some slack SORRY MATE .I know we all love W.A. past and present. The music and the band should keep us together not divide us .Keep on rockin...
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billy auld 10/02/2005
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Hi Dave C, Nice post :¬) Enjoy Holland ;¬) Time for bed said zebedee.``¬¬¬¬~
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hlj 11/02/2005
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Nighty night.
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Neil 11/02/2005
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that was the wrong email this is my one
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Bobby Cameron 11/02/2005
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Bloody Hell Billy ... It's just taken me 2 days to get through all these posts. I gave up visiting here because of the posting format. You've been wee a besom I see. Anyway china, geez a buzz. I've been here in Ingerlund all week but your phone is not on. Going back to Cape Town this weekend. I'll email you next week wee man (that's rich coming from me). Oh aye ... Mark II for me ... NEW ENGLAND, THERE'S THE RUB, JUST TESTING ...
BobbyC
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Billy Auld 11/02/2005
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Hi Bobby, Don't tell me i've missed you again! Are you down in Kent again? Don't understand about the phone. My wife uses it (or should I say carries it around in her handbag) during the day. My son also uses it (putting his own SIM card in)Come to think of it ...it's not my phone any longer LOL It's a real shame we couldn't meet up as this is a long weekend for me. I bought a campervan recently and I'm looking for an excuse to use it. Meeting up and going to a couple of gigs would have been fun. Never mind,another time! If I manage to get my mobile to myself later i'll give you a call. Your number is stored in it. Speak soon Billy
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Bobby Cameron 11/02/2005
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Hi Billy, Yes down in Kent again, actually Sheerness. Just been listening to a CD given to me by Rainer Frilund - Ashcon 2002. I think it's Ben's first real gig. Some really good harmonies on there. I should be back in a couple of months, I will contact you next week as I said previously. I can't wait to get back to some sunshine. This weather is driving me NUTS !!!
BobbyC
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Billy Auld 12/02/2005
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OK, Bobby make a point of letting me know in advance so I can make arrangements. We(Anne and I) could combine visiting her sister who lives in Kent. The British weather is a great leveller...everyone moans and suffers together LOL Robin Auld now lives in Chelsea, London and was just saying on his website that he and his good lady have to look away from the adverts depicting Cape Town and the endless blue skies over table mountain etc etc etc. Never mind there is always at least 2 half decent weeks in the 'summer'?!?! except in Scotland ofcourse! I say you've just gotten soft Bobby Boy ;¬) See ye! Billy
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Rich D 12/02/2005
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Hey guys this is a long shot, but I'm trying to track down the few WA CDs I haven't got, one of which is "Twin Barrels Burning" - does anyone have a copy of htis that they'd be willing to sell, or know of anyone selling one? Managed to get "Raw To The Bone" recently and although it's not at all what you'd expect from WA, I enjoyed it as a mid-80s melodic rock type thang.Any help on this would be gratefully received! Also what do y'all reckon of the "Backbones" package? I reckon it's just the job for long car journeys! Nice mix of stuff.
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mollie 13/02/2005
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win nme awards prizes such as tickets by getting the highest score on this game.. http://www.hyperlaunch.com/shockwavesnme/
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magnusT 13/02/2005
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Backbones is a splendid idea cause it focus partly on Illumiations and Pearls. It's also includes Everybody Needs a friend from Wishbone 4. I just wait for that one to go on stage. This record indeed show a lot of interesting stuff away from 'Argus'.
Allright you also get a bonus cd with one of the best versions of The King Will Come.
About bonus cd interviue:
One thing I wonder about is ...!
Is Andy Powel so poor that he had to take a job 1994 ? Or is it a way of thinking . I can't make a living as a musician so I take a job...
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Billy Auld 13/02/2005
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Excellent to see some positive news from Martin Turner. Can't wait to hear and see more developements in the near future. Hey Jef, Martin is recruiting!!!
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Dee 13/02/2005
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Woo hoo! Haha!!! I'm smiling from ear to ear! I can't stop. I'm even feeling a little shaky. This is the BEST THING I've heard in a long time and really gives me something to look forward to from my favorite musician. Martin, you are prime and I can't wait.
I've said it before, but I've listened to a lot of music, seen a lot of bands, and met a lot of musicians. I'm not a "groupie", it's not a female/male sexual thing or anything like that. It's all about the music for me. Nothing and no one in my musical experience since I danced in my play pen to the Beatles until this day at 40 years old has ever hit me as hard as Martin has.
Thank you is not enough.
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jef 14/02/2005
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This is great, and long awaited news!
While some artists continue to put out records long after they have run out of new ideas, or inspriations, I have every confidence Mr. Turner has some new great material on the way.
Hope the troubles of the last couple years are only history now, and that we can all enjoy Martin's return to creating and performing for some time to come.
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magnusT 14/02/2005
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Wonderful to hear this news about Martin Turner.
I hope he also visit some shows with Wishbone. For example
AshFeast in Scranton.
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Dee 14/02/2005
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Magnus, Scranton is practically in my back yard!! It's less than 25 miles away from my house. But I figure that it's not likely for Martin to be there given the recent activities.
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Ree Annon 14/02/2005
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Camilla and Charles to marry? Camilla for Princess of Wales? Please not - our country already has one dragon as its national emblem, do we really need another???? xxx
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Billy Auld 15/02/2005
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Ree Annon, Shouldn't you have posted on the .com site where there is a BORING DISCUSSION about the 'Camilla+Charles' strange affair going on? Nothing to do with Wishbone Ash music at all.....or maybe it has! Billy
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progressivedave 15/02/2005
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Just a reminder that Wishbone Ash are playing The Junction in Cambridge on Monday 4th April 05 with support from Nigel Graham Blues Reaction - doors 7pm.
A fundraiser for Rockinbeerfest 05 (got a plug from Bob Harris last Saturday for the tour)see the latest festival news announced within a week or so on www.rockinbeerfest.co.uk
Dave
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hlj 15/02/2005
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Ahem William! MY post wasn't boring!
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Billy Auld 15/02/2005
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Hi HLJ Sorry to infer YOUR topic re Chaz+Cam was boring...."But it is!" LOL The papers have been FULL of it here in the UK. It's all a load of SPIN. It is boring now and will be even more so in the coming months and years...YAWNNNN! So Jeff, the subject matter is boring to me but you are a sharp,intelligent and witty fellow who is NEVER boring. ;¬) Billy
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Billy Auld 15/02/2005
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For DaveC...Zillagod says sorry for offending you. He can't post here for some reason and asked me to post on his behalf. You know what Zill is like....Lovely guy with a heart of gold but tends to get a bit carried away. Think he needs a bit of a service as he sometimes can't get his brain in gear before his mouth opens. ;¬) Love you Zill just paraphrasing what you've said yourself. Billy
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HLJ 15/02/2005
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You are so perceptive and so on target Billy! :-) That's why you're my dogg. Hope I was close in your family description I gave. I gotcher back man...you know it.
Zill WON'T post here. Thank goodness. We may never get a word in if he gets started here! (You know you're my boy too ZG..s'all good)
If Marty is going to start jammin more this year..well...I hope so. With a couple of decent guitarists, he could really make a comeback. He just needs to realize who his core of fans are and the type of music they expect. If he does that the sky's the limit.
hlj
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Billy Auld 16/02/2005
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Just to pick up on HLJ's comments about Martin getting on the road with Wishbone Ash material. Has anyone got any favourite songs that they have seldom,if ever heard live, that they'd like Martin to consider? I'm sure he'd be interested to hear and maybe persuaded with the requests! I know he would like to revisit some favourites that don't get played. Whoever Martin choses to play along with him I hope they are able and prepared to sing harmonies as well as being great guitarists. There has been a thread on the .com site forum regarding WA vocalists. The best vocalist is in fact the group harmonies. The sum total of at least the 2 guitarists and the bass player singing and playing. It gives the music it's best delivery when they are ALL singing and playing.Martin, Andy and Ted were, and will always be the collective vocal sound of WA. I always thought Andy and Martin sounded and complimented each other very well. Martin's quality of singing is without doubt the most distinctive and pleasant. Andy is not a solo singer as far as i'm concerned, he needs to have a vocalist in front of his vocals if that makes sense. Martin's range is not what it was but that's OK by me. He has shown he can adapt and still deliver a great song. One song that really showed Martin's singing ability is still great is the song 'Some Conversation' From 'Strange affair' I'd love to hear that song done live. No matter what it's brilliant that Martin has seized the moment and is going to do what he does best! Can't wait! Billy
PS Bobby Cameron, you say you are going to be back in England in a couple of months. Do you realise it could coincide with the WA Spring tour!!!! If you can manipulate the circumstances it would be brilliant to get together for a WA gig or two!!! Maybe even Martin's WA as well!!! Here's hoping! Billy
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Bobby Cameron 16/02/2005
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Hi Billy ... I didn't know you had Spring in the UK. I thought it was just Winter followed by two weeks of less rain then straight into Autumn. I just checked the tour dates and I will try and time my visit to coincide with one or two of these concerts. Cheers Bobby in Cape Town. Crikey it's good to see blue skies again ...
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Billy Auld 16/02/2005
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Bobby, substitute the 'UK' with Scotland and you'd be about right! The rest of the UK gets a an extra 3days sunshine spread over a 3 month period. Seriously though the seasons do seem to be kinda blending into blandness. I saw a programme about 'Global Darkness' recently....VERY DISTURBING! Just hope Martin gets on the road before the lights go out entirely! Really hope you can be here for a Wishbone gig or two. Billy
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Percy Phoney 16/02/2005
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Billy asks what songs Martin should play when he tours. It would be positive if the set list was totally different to what Andy and co play, that way it would complement rather than directly compete with it. But there is a wealth of material which rarely (if ever) gets a look in. Martin should concentrate on the songs which were either written by or heavily feature his vocal talents: Cosmic Jazz, Lost Cause, Walk on Water, Bolans Monument, Some Conversation, some of the tracks on Nouveau Calls, Haunting Me, Insomnia, Time and Space, New Rising Star, Lifeline, Like a Child, Front Page News, You Rescue Me, Everybody Needs, Sorrel, Persephone, Valediction, etc, etc. Would also love to hear some of the Reeperbahn album live. I'm sure Im just scratching the surafce...
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hlj 16/02/2005
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Yo PP...I'll go see that concert right now! I like all those songs. And for the most part..AP stays away from those tunes. Is there a copyright issue with any of this stuff? Martin won't call his band Wishbone Ash anyways. I'm excited already!!! But add Don't Come Back, Rest In Peace, Open Road, Rock n Roll Widow, and Firesign.
Sweet!
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dave c. 16/02/2005
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Just got back from Holland .had a great time at the Helmond gig it was good to meet up with the dutch fans. The Plato was packed out and rockin.There were seven of us over from Perth a couple of my mates had never seen W.A. play before They were blown away. A brilliant start with In the skin. Then a couple of hours of pure magic . They finished with hard on you. It always is when the gigs over. Ben said wait till Muddy settles in and youll see what a great player he is .Well I can only echo what Andy said of him after they played Ancient Remedy You are Cosmic Maaaaaan and he was He seems to have settled right in. I cant believe how lucky we are that we have another Musical Maestro in the band I shouldnt say lucky its down to Andy and Ben. The set felt really fresh to me with just a few changes .The Pilgrim. Rock n Roll Widow And in the Skin Were all great to hear again.I was lucky enough to see them in California in december and I really noticed the difference a few months have made . I was really sad When Ben left but he certainly aint left us in the lurch .Keep on rockin Wishbone ash....
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Billy Auld 17/02/2005
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Excellent report DaveC Wish i was there! Great to hear Muddy is settling in with the band! I have seen photos from earlier gigs and it looked like the body language was all wrong between Andy and Muddy. Andy never seemed to be looking Muddy's way! I'm certainly looking more forward to seeing them in the Spring. We are going to be really spoiled as fans of Wishbone Ash music when Martin gets his band sorted out. The range of music covered will be brilliant with both bands! Billy
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Dee 17/02/2005
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Billy, oh yeah. I know I've mentioned "Some Conversation" on here before. That is definitely an overlooked gem. I don't care that Martin didn't write it. It's a really special song.
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jef 17/02/2005
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Another vote here for Some Conversation. Hope you're listening Martin. If it shows up on his song list, my wife may insist on our hopping the pond to hear it live. PP also brought up a great number of choices.
Andy Powell has done a great job with the song list his group performs, bringing back the early MK1 stuff, as well as newer things. Still the MK1 Reunion stuff is currently missing from the stage. Looking forward to Martin taking care of that!
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stod 17/02/2005
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If Martin just went out and sang Persephone I would feel my time and money had been well spent; anything else would be a bonus! I'd like to hear a set which encompasses WA classics plus other material he's written over the years which have nothing to do with the band.
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dave c. 17/02/2005
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Billy it will something to hear Martin playing W.A. music again I know there are a lot .of his fans who will be right thier for him when he starts tourng. This could be a great year for all fans of Wishbone Ash past and present .Aint we lucky...See you soon Martin...
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Name not given 17/02/2005
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hlj, how do we know MT wont call his band Wishbone Ash? There are presently two versions of Barclay James Harvset - that is Barclay James Harvest Ft Les Holroyd/Barclay James Harvest thru the eyes of John Lees; whyever not another Wishbone configuration...? Wishbone Ash featuring Martin Turner maybe?
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wilma 17/02/2005
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I just saw the band play there last show in Holland, and have to say how brilliant these musicians are.
I never saw them with Ben, but they played like they had been together forever. Excellent!
Looking forward to them returning soon.
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norm 17/02/2005
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Martin is presently auditioning musicians for planned recording and touring projects and is looking forward to an upcoming period of rejuvenated creativity, with much activity planned for 2005/06. We will keep you posted with developments as the project takes shape. Watch this space.
where in that sentence does it even say Martin will be performing wishbone ash music?? dont get me wrong i hope he intends to but we really don't know any details yet of what these projects are, or does someone here know something i dont?
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stod 17/02/2005
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Norm
we know nothing-
Cheers
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Billy auld 18/02/2005
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Martin will certainly be playing Wishbone ash material. He has had a desire to give fans a treat of Wishbone ash material that seldom, if ever gets played live with Andy's band. Just keep sending in your preferences here and see what happens! Martin will not disappoint! Keep your suggestions coming. Billy
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hlj 18/02/2005
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See Norm..Billy aint no Cliff...he knows what he's talkin about..he's close to the man himself...if he says Ash music, I for one, believe him. And you know what??? I'd support 2 versions of the band...especially if they played different songs from each other...I mean..that would be perfect.
So keep us posted.
Cheers ;-)
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jef 18/02/2005
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The news page talking about Martin playing live again also talks about his passion for Wishbone Ash. Reading between the lines, it would seem he will be playing at least some Wishbone songs.
My apologies for my earlier post that I didn't mention interest in his solo material. I guess since his songs from Hear to Here were largely written during his days with the Wolfgang, I tend to lump them in with Wishbone.
Really liked the loney solo CD, looking forward to it have company on the shelf (and in my players).
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jef 18/02/2005
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Aplogies to all AGAIN...One day I will learn to check spelling and grammer before hitting that post button.
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hlj 18/02/2005
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It's all that hair pullin on your brain cells. :)
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mike tarling 18/02/2005
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sorta broke a promise to myself by posting on this site again but here goes:
i am sure many of us are looking forward to whatever it is that martin has planned for this year, and will turn out to see him. but i hope the event does not get spoilt by any more petty arguments over the name. it disheartens me to see wishbone ash referred to here as "andy's band" or "the current band".
i do not believe this sort of thing does martin's cause any good, whatever his legal rights may be. wishbone ash is the name of the band featuring andy, muddy, bob and ray and any name martin turner goes out under should not conflict with this or cause divided loyalties between fans.
anyway, enough said at this stage, let's see what happens.
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mike tarling 18/02/2005
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i just re-read what i have written, and in case it's not clear, what i am saying is that some people might not be comfortable about going to see martin if he chooses to use the name wishbone ash. you only have to look at the large number of people who currently stay away from this site to realise there must be some truth in this.
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Fee Nicks 18/02/2005
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for evryone one that was to stay away, Im sure there will be another five who decide to go. Think positive. It is without doubt that Martin Turner benefits through Andy Powell's touring work and the attraction to the earlier catalogue it brings (think royalties..). Ditto Andy Powell would benefit from Martin Tuner touring creating even further awareness in the back catalogue = greater royalties for all. And it is without doubt that MT touring under a "WA" type banner would attract more attention to the back catalogue (which again, REMEMBER benefits ALL)than if he toured under his own name. Right? AS for conflict. There simply would be no conflict...unless both acts were playing the same songs and touring the same time, which would be unlikely. The situation would have positive aspects for ALL. But Mike is right, this shouldnt be used as an opportunity to knock ANY member of the band past or present. That helps no one. Ultimtaely the music - in whatever guise, under what name and performed by whom - is there for those who want it. Those who feel uncomfortable need not attend. Obviously in an ideal world we would have AP and MT working together, but lets be honest, it aint gonna happen folks, so lets appreciate the best of both worlds if it is presented to us in that way rather than bitching over a bloody brand name. We, as fans, have no say in how the music is presented to us and in what format. We simply have three choices 1) Bitch and moan over petty issues 2) Go see all WA related artists and enjoy each one on its own merit (eg let the music speak for itself) 3) Pick out the elements we like and support them, and stay clear of anything that is not to our taste (eg. dont moan, simply just dont go..saves a lot of stress!) Finally, remember the words of Andy Powell who himself said that Wishbone Ash is no longer a set list of band member names, but a "concept"!! There has been some constructive comment here since the original board came back, let's not go down that old band vs new band route again. ALL the music and performances are there for our ENJOYMENT. Lets make the most of it...NONE of these guys will be around forever.
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Billy Auld 18/02/2005
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Hi Mike Tarling, In reply/response to your reference to my using the term "Andy's band" It's only fair to point out that Andy himself made a point of stating that,and I quote, "This is MY Band!" As Fee Nicks rightly said, Andy has stated many times that Wishbone Ash is more of a concept than a certain group of individuals in a band. Surely the concept can be extended to include the projects of original members especially the guy who came up with the name in the first place. Now I'm not getting into this old arguement again. Let's move on and ENJOY THE MUSIC FROM THEM ALL. Respectfully Billy.
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mike tarling 18/02/2005
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ok, ok, i apologise for that little outburst. i guess martin must have thought long and hard about whether this project was worth the time and effort, and the last thing i want to do is pour cold water on it before it has even started by suggesting a large contingent might boycott him.
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hlj 18/02/2005
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Long live Wishbone Ash! No matter how many versions there are!
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Billy Auld 18/02/2005
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Mike,HLJ, HIP,HIP,HOORAY! All in agreement say AYE! As fans of Wishbone Ash MUSIC! The more versions the merrier! Seriously, I want all fans of the band/s to appreciate the music as opposed to thinking about being in any camp. Billy
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jef 18/02/2005
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AYE!
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Billy Auld 18/02/2005
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Hi Jef, That's what I like...short and sweet and to the point! Your bro! Billy
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Box 19/02/2005
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for some fine pics of the last european concert Nijmegen see:
http://www.classicrockphotos.nl/classic-17/page3.html
greetings Box
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hlj 19/02/2005
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aye aye!
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billy 20/02/2005
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Nothing said
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billy 20/02/2005
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I saw wishbone ash recently and very pleasantly surprised at the freshness they gave.
The drums sounded loke a cross between phil rudd and john onham.
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pretty shitty then...
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stod 20/02/2005
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I remember Andy and Steve used the law: a "cease and desist order" to stop Ted from touring as Wishbone Ash at least once, I don't think Martin would run the risk of that plus I would imagine he would not wish to limit himself to playing only WA music anyway(?) I recall the awful mess Yes got themselves into when Chris Squire owned the name and practically all the others got together to tour as "Anderson, Howe..etc" performing "an evening of Yes music". Even that lot got together eventually- though their stature was such that they were probably guaranteed a fortune to settle their differences. Lets just hope for a cracking Martin Turner Band experience and see what we get?
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hlj 20/02/2005
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Good point Stod. Business is business and if Andy has the name then Martin can't use it...even if he did write and sing alot of the music. But that doesn't stop him from playing it, thank goodness. I think he should have Wishbone Ash somewhere in his marquee, indicating his connection to the band. For us diehards, it's not a big deal..but for the casual fan, they need to see that name to bring them to the venues or to buy the records....but then again...are there any casual fans???
It's probably all a moot point for us in the US as I don't really see them coming here any time soon. :-(
But, lessee what happens.
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Ashbone U Wish 21/02/2005
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Hi All,
Now that we have rehearsed our new guitarist in, we have scheduled in a few support gigs around London and SE, starting on Friday 25th Feb. Please check www.ashboneuwish.co.uk for further details. Hope to see you there.
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Name not given 21/02/2005
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hlj, how do you know this. Do you have expertise in UK music business legalities. If what you say is true about Martin's inability to use the name, then how do you explain two bands currently performing as Barclay James Harvest...?
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hlj 21/02/2005
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No dude...I have no idea if there's any legalities involved. I was just saying IF Andy had the name (legally somehow), then Martin couldn't use it. Never meant to imply this was a fact or reality. Sorry for not making that clear.
BTW AUW, I hope the new guitarist works out. Wish I could the see the now infamous "Ashbone-U-Wish"....maybe y'all come to Scranton for the US party this summer? That'd be cool.
Happy President's Day everyone...(no work!)
hlj
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mark 21/02/2005
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TED TURNERS LES PAUL CUSTOM FOR SALE!!
Unfortunatley to fund a custom guitar project i will have to sell this guitar. It is a black early 70's gibson les paul custom that was owned and used live by Ted Turner in the early 90's.
If anyone's interested or for more info please drop me an email.
Mark
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Billy Auld 21/02/2005
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Hi Mark, How's things? Yes I'm interested in THE guitar but CAN'T afford it! Just so sorry to see it up for sale so soon after you buying it. I'd much rather see you PLAY IT with MOONSTONE! Forget the custom job, KEEP THE TED GIBBO!!! For HLJ and ANON... Let the name issue drop. We don't have a say or full understanding in the matter.If martin wants to use the name it's up to him. He can argue the toss with Andy or whoever.Personally, if i came up with the name,I'd have made sure that the rights etc were maintained. The world can stand 2 Wishbone Ash's but in business terms there will ALWAYS be issues to be argued. Let THEM sort it out PERSONALLY between them. Life is short. LLET THE MUSIC PLAY!!!
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Jef 22/02/2005
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Aye again! Billy, you're right on the money. Discussing how/who/what on actual band members past & present soured the .com board for a time, and this site as well.
Whatever Martin decides to do is what will happen. Speculation in advance will only divide fans. Unite in instead in favour of the music!
Mark, Billy is also right on KEEPING THE 'PAUL! I know people like toi have things just so with thier guitars (I sure do), but hang onto to that one (*at least till I have some spare dollars*)!
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hlj 22/02/2005
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whatever!...I'm outta here!
Buncha goofballs!
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stop the moaning 22/02/2005
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who CARES what names any of the Ashers past or present perform under. We should trust their professionalism to use whatever name they feel the project warrants in their opinion. It is not our place to influence such decisions or stage a half assed kangaroo court on a fan forum. But it is our DUTY to give any music they produce live or on disc (and under whatever name) a listen. Then if we like it, support it. If we dont like it, we needn't go back for seconds...somple as that
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Fee Nicks 22/02/2005
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there was some good toppics going on here a few days ago, why let this board go back to the gutter level of a few months ago. Forget the name, forget legaltities, lets TALK MUSIC. how about this for a new thread. Weve talked about what songs we'd like to hear. How about what direction would you like Martin's new project to go, in terms of musical style, composite of musicians, etc. Any foughts...?
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Billy Auld 22/02/2005
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Whatever Martin is choosing to do it MUST be exciting and offer Wishbone Ash music fans something different to the current WA. HLJ... Why the door slamming episode? I'll talk to you in PM's on the .com site. I think it was inevitable that the issue regarding the BrAND name would have to be raised but i think we all have more or less tried to say that it should be ignored and that it's the MUSIC that matters. So, come on stick with it and come along for the ride! Billy
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jef 22/02/2005
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Any ideas what venues Martin is likely to appear at?
My other question concernig is new project is weather it will include a keyboard player, or one guitarist who doubles on keys. Martin's songs tended to use more keys than the rest of Ash material (though even the early records had some occasionally.
Any one have any info on this stuff?
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mark 22/02/2005
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Hi Billy, I'm fine thanks. what about your good self sir?
I really cant think of a better home for such a lovely les paul than goole!! KEEP IT IN YORKSHIRE thats what i say!!
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Ray Pascual 23/02/2005
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I have owned up before that i am a frustrated guitarist....wishing that i could play like Powell/Wisefield/Turner/Birch etc...have any of you other guys felt the same and are trying like i am? And have you been to biscuit's site where there is a lot of tablabuture for the band? If so, how are your doing? It's here for all you www.biscuit.f2s.com/tabwa.htm
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Hans 23/02/2005
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Yea great guitar slingers. Would be real cool to see them do a middle acoustic slot at some point, and show off that side to the playing... Keep on rocking me baby!
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Matthew Poat 23/02/2005
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Hey, im a student at coventry university and am the only classic rock dj on their radio station source fm (www.sourcefm.net). Im pretty new to wishbone ash but after hearing jailbait i was a fan and i continued with time was which i also love and will be playing on my show in the coming weeks before the coventry gig at the hare and hounds in april. I was wondering however if we could be sent a promo copy of the new album to reveiw on my show, before the april gig, to drum up more support for the band. please let me know. Thanks
Please listen to my classic rock show every sunday 6 - 9pm on www.sourcefm.net
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Johan Bengtsson 23/02/2005
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Matthew: Inquiries about promo records from current WA lineup should probably be done at the www.wishboneash.com site.
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714 23/02/2005
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For those of us who were to young to see Wishbones Mark 1 lineup, it is fair to say that there isnt the nostalgia there that some readers have for them. My first album was Front Page News, i bought No Smoke without Fire in 78, saw them in 1980 on the Just Testing Tour and as far as i am concerned, the Wisefield lineup is as relevant as any other. I just listened to the Lost Pearls cd for the first time and hearing Hard on You, Sheriff of Sherwood etc reminded me how good that line up was. I would agree with previous comments that more of the Mark 2 songs should be played. Come in From the Rain, Front Page News, You Rescue Me etc need played but also some of the more melodic stuff such as Persephone, need Martins vocals. Wisefields guitar style for me is second to none. Listen to his playing on Phoenix, Living Proof, Helpless from the 83 Marquee video plus the studio version of You See Red and you will see what i mean. The difference between his playing and Teds for me was emotion. When i hear Wisefiled play, there is a certain something in the sound that plays on the old heart strings. Mind you, it could be that i did a lot of my courting to the sound of Front Page News. Those were the days!!
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Gordon 23/02/2005
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Perhaps Martin's new band could call themselves 'Wishbone Ash Through The Eyes of Martin Turner' a la BJH.
Mark, as for Ted's Les Paul, how much are we talking about? When and for how long did Ted own this guitar??
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mark 23/02/2005
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Gordon, not sure how long Ted owned the guitar for but i do know he had it in the early 90's and used it live after his PRS was stolen and im told it was the guitar he used on "live in chicago". When Ted left Wishbone he was living in Chicago and also helping out in a music store there called "The music store" and became friends with the owner of the store, John Shaw. John bought the guitar from Ted and sold it in his shop to the guy i bought it from 2 years ago. I have spoken to John Shaw personally and he was happy to confirm this story and also supplied me with a letter of confirmation which i will pass on when i sell the guitar along with photographs of Ted playing the guitar with Wishbone and also a photo of Ben Granfelt onstage playing the guitar stood with Andy Powell who said he remembered it well.
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mark 24/02/2005
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Sorry, as far as price goes im really open to offers at the moment
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stod 25/02/2005
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I believe the current wishbone ash bluesy approach gives Martin a great opportunity to do his own stuff and to incorporate some of the wonderful mark2 songs which rarely get an airing. I'm not taking sides here-this town is big enough for the both of 'em: just trying to make a positive suggestion. If only Laurie could be tempted from his no doubt lucrative sinecure in the west end, playing Queen rubbish to tourists.. (ok, that was a bit negative...)
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Billy Auld 25/02/2005
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HI All, There's a discussion going on in the www.wishboneash.com Forum. In the concerts section the thread is titled 'Too blue for you' Interesting to hear the various opinions of the fans regarding the volume of blues songs in the band's set at the moment. This was discussed before when Muddy just joined the band. Anyone who was at Ashcon last year when he made his debut appearance will have sussed that Muddy is a rooted bluesman. It was muted before by some fans including myself that we'd expect more blues in order to help Muddy get established with the band before he managed to work on some of the back catalogue which is not so blues oriented. From what has been reported recently by some fans who have seen the band in the States and Germany/Europe etc,Muddy has been getting to grips with the less bluesier material. I still feel that the band will shift more in the blues/boogie direction,not only because of Muddy but Andy Powell also. Maybe Martin's band (when it gets up and running) will help to counterbalance the music for the fans who don't really want too much blues when they go see Wishbone Ash. There is a wealth of material too choose from. The mark2 WA material seems to be getting more and more neglected. Would be great if Martin could delve into it and put a setlist together with a lot of that stuff. Roll on. Billy
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Billy Auld 25/02/2005
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Hi Stod, Seems we have posted at about the same time regarding the same subject!!! I was going to say "Great minds think alike" but that would have been ammunition for some snipers who are hiding in the shadows! LOL As I said in my last post, Martin will hopefully fill the gap that some of us perceive. Billy
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stod 25/02/2005
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I started that thread and I expected to be pilloried- but the balance of opinion so far reflects my own.
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stod 25/02/2005
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we've posted again at the same time!! People will talk...
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Brian 25/02/2005
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714, I second your post! My introduction to WA was No Smoke Without Fire and Just Testing (albeit not until 1989!) and I was floored that I had missed out on the band for so long. After Front Page News and There's the Rub, I ventured into the MK I albums (Argus, etc) and, though I like 'em all, there is something about the MK II output that just invites more repeated listening on my part. You See Red was a song that hit me right away, not just because of the guitar fireworks and superb rhythm but also because of the lyrics. Luckily for me, during the many gigs I've been to here in the US recently, several MK II songs have been performed: You See Red, Come in From the Rain, Persephone, FUBB, Living Proof and Master of Disguise. Laurie's songs often get a trashing in WA circles because of his vocals but I tend to like his songs and he remains my favorite WA guitarist ever (no offence to AP, of course). I still hold out hope that Laurie will be involved in a higher profile project someday.
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Name not given 25/02/2005
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higher profile. Dont get much higher profile than We Will Rock You, does it??
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harris 25/02/2005
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not much of a profile- playing some one else's music anonymously in a show band!!? You may as well send in your guitar part by telephone. Agree with stod- he's probably getting a good wedge, so fair play to him, all the same.
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Name not given 25/02/2005
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Ted Turner guitar on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7303943645&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT
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magnusT 25/02/2005
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One important fact about this discussion about Laurie Wisefield is that he was a good songwriter. Now it is about 20 years since he quit. During all these years he maybe written something.Even if he don't have time to tour he should be able to write music together with someone.
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Brian 25/02/2005
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That We Will Rock You show doesn't get a single word of press here in the US, so you should understand that this website is the only place we read/hear about that show! By higher profile, I meant global.
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jef 26/02/2005
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Hey Brian, I was in Vegas in January, and there were ads all over for this show. I suspect it was the same show, but maybe a different line-up of players, I don't know.
If it was Laurie, maybe there are other chances to see him yet this year in the USA.
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714 26/02/2005
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There was a advert in last weeks local paper saying that Wishbone Ash are playing Dundee, Scotland but there is no mention UK/US web sites. Anybody any further news on this?
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Gary S 26/02/2005
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Gordon, your idea about there being two Wishbone Ash's in a similar vein to Barclay James Harvest is a good one, but as far as I'm aware, that situation was by mutual agreement between John Lees (who teamed up with founder member Wooly Wolstenholme for his version of BJH) and Les Holroyd (whose BJH band featured the late Mel Pritchard). Would Messrs Powell & Turner be able to make a similar agreement? I recall reading in the 'Blowing Free' book about Ted Turner being swiftly brought to task when he attempted to tour as Wishbone Ash in the early 80's! I myself, although I am a supporter of the original Wishbone Ash (yes, the current version is the original band - his continued membership/leadership throughout 35 years should leave this in no doubt), would also support a band led by Martin, I posted on here a good while ago that I did think that Martin may have lost his creative spark, but it looks as if I may be proved wrong. And I'm very glad about that!
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Gary S 26/02/2005
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Is this 'our' Ted?
http://www.tedturnermusic.co.uk/
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Billy Auld 26/02/2005
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Hi Gary, In one word NO. Been going a while,checked it out years ago. 2 Wishbone Ash's? Will NEVER happen. Martin Turner with a reference to WA? Yeah maybe.As i said before, it's about the music and the musicians standing or falling on their own merit IMHO. Wishbone Ash as it is relies very much upon material written/co written between the original members which gives martin every right to play the music but it would be utterly counter productive to try to go on the road as Wishbone Ash. Wishbone Ish maybe. There has to be a distinction.
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Hamish 27/02/2005
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I hope they are in Dundee. We'll all be there.
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Mike Spooner 27/02/2005
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How about a bass clinic for all those frustrated bassists out there (me included)who have tried for 20+ years to play like Martin but still can't?
That would be great - any chance?
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AllCowsEatGrass 27/02/2005
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I believe that a Martin Turner 10 volume box set bass clinic is available on cd, tape & vinyl:
Vol 1 - Wishbone Ash.
Vol 2 - Pilgrimage.
Vol 3 - Wishbone 4.
Vol 4 - Argus.
Vol 5 - There's the Rub.
Vol 6 - New England.
Vol 7 - Front Page News.
Vol 8 - No Smoke Without Fire.
Vol 9 - Just Testing.
Vol 10 - Here To Hear.
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Billy Auld 27/02/2005
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Correct me if I'm wrong ACEG but what you are saying is....if you havn't been able to master the art of bass playing having listened over and over again to these excellent examples of bass playing then you aint gonna get it with no master class now! I agree. Either you've got it or you aint. I am in the 'aint' catagory!
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Mike Spooner 27/02/2005
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Get me a doctor to sew my sides back up....
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stod 28/02/2005
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wot- no "Locked In"?
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gordon mackie 28/02/2005
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saw wishbone at the green room,aberdeen.really great.first time back since 1992.come back soon.
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gordon mackie 02/03/2005
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the songs remain timeless,although 33 years old ARGUS still is valid in 2005.i bought the original vinyl record in 1972 and still play it a lot.it actually sounds better in vinyl than cd.the first concert in aberdeen in 1971 had about 400 at the music hall.only about a third full but they had people on their feet cheering after the first number .HAPPY TIMES
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714 02/03/2005
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Gordon, i went to see Wishbone again at Lochgelly, Fife when Ben Grenfalt was on guitar c October 2002. Met people from Aberdeen etc for whom it was the first time they had seen them since the 1980 Just Testing tour. Were you at either gig?
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gordon mackie 05/03/2005
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hi 714 i was at the 1980 concert in aberdeeen at the capital theatre; also the 1992 gig at the hotel metro with ted turner on guitar.i have never been to lochgelly,but do know wishbone have played there at few times.they have only played in aberdeen 4 times in 34 years but hopefully more in future.
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Billy Auld 05/03/2005
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Just been listening to the 'Jonathon Ross Show' on Radio 2 where he has again mentioned Wishbone ash. He said he had a motorhead Cd which he would add to his collection at home along with Wishbone ash and Stealers Wheel and he'd have a party with them later! Wonder if we could get an invite LOL
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Howard Johnston 05/03/2005
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Like all of us Martin Turner / Wishbone Ash fans who remember the days when the two names were inextricably linked - the current situation of any Wishbone band existing without him is obviously not the ideal scenario. However, this is the way it has been for a decade. I would therefore like to add to some of the comments posted earlier.
"Wishbone Ash" as it manifests itself these days is clearly Andy's band and to be fair - like it or not - he is doing a very good job of it. Although I would prefer M.T. to be a participating member - one cannot deny that even without him both "Illuminations" and "Bona Fide" are fine albums; definitely in the tradition of what we think of as Wishbone albums. They have all the necessary elements and do tend to reinforce Andy's view that W.A. is a ‘concept’ rather than a group of specific i | 
